After this whole Trivium thing, I checked out a few of these "false" metal bands, and although I don't really like them, I think that the sheer hate spewed towards these bands is unwarranted. Ok, Avenged Sevenfold need to have their instruments destroyed, but as far as some of the others, I'm not so sure. The "emo" aspect of some of these bands comes mainly from the fans, not the bands themselves.
Bullet For My Valentine isn't a band I particularly care for. Do they suck? No...I just don't like their style. Limp Bizkit sucks. Staind sucks. Nu metal sucks. BFMV actually has some really decent thrashy riffs, although it's all surrounded by metalcore singalong bullshit. Trivium is a big Metallica rip-off, but at least they can play. However, I can't stand the metalcore style vocals...rough, clean, rough, clean...and not even a good clean, like Opeth, but a "punk" clean. I guess that's why it's "metalcore"...metal/hardcore. BFMV has no place in Wacken...but after seeing some of their videos, they aren't so far removed from COB.
Therefore, I'm left to believe that it's not so much the bands themselves that we love to hate, but the fans of these bands. The knuckleheads who really exacerbate the things that are wrong in the metal scene today. But ten years ago, would bands like this even be big? How many of you remember feeling blown away when a solo from a "metal" band was played on MTV? Face it people: we're much better off now than we were with nu-metal, and if you don't think so, then you are too young to remember nu-metal in all it's "glory". Nu metal took the worst parts of grunge and the worst parts of metal and put them together for a giant shit sandwich that we all had to eat for about ten years. Would you rather hear "Nookie" from Limp Bizkit or "Pull Harder on the Strings of Your Martyr" by Trivium? I really don't like Trivium, but I'll take those fuckers any day of the week over nu-metal.
But Matt Heafy of Trivium listens to all metal: black, thrash, death, etc., and I'm not talking black like Dimmu Borgir...I'm talking Burzum black. Ok, he may not be as tr00 and n3kr0 as some black metalheads, but at least he has a diverse culture in metal. So he's a spoiled kid who had everything given to him. So did half the fucking musicians I know, and they aren't doing shit in their shitty bands. It's popular to hate a band for being popular, and it's so stupid. I've seen people stop listening to bands like Nile, Behemoth, and Cannibal Corpse because they felt they were growing too mainstream. That's just idiocy, crazy talk.
The people who say that Trivium deserved having piss thrown at them are either:
A. Just talking out of their ass on a music forum because it's safe, or
B. Childish adolescents who have no idea what this type of music is all about: mutual respect and support.
Trivium have never said that they're the best, that they were better than Iron Maiden, that no one is good enough to play with them. They haven't done anything but play their music and be extremely humble in every interview and thankful and gracious to all their fans who support them and fellow bands who support them as well. I don't really like Trivium, but I would never throw piss at them, no matter how much I despise metalcore.
I honestly believe that it comes down to the attention the bands get from the 15 year old fans. I feel the same way about Tool fans...they're worse than Metallica fans. At least Metallica fans are just kinda like, "beer, metal, beer, metal", etc. Tool fans try to examine and come up with some bullshit about how genius Tool's music is, about how X song is actually a schematic for a building or some shit. Are you kidding? Most of them are a bunch of pseudo-intellectual dumbasses who think Danny Carey is the greatest drummer in the world because he can play polyrhythms...really slowly. The second Meshuggah is mentioned, they turn their brains off because NO ONE could EVER be as good as Tool. I've found that the people who like Tool the most are the worst musicians, if musicians at all. Not to say that if it's your favorite band, you're a shitty guitarist...but the majority of these people touting this band can't play a note, so everything they hear, they think it's fucking gold. I have a feeling that there are these types of fans also in metalcore circles, and that's why we love to hate them.
Bullet For My Valentine isn't a band I particularly care for. Do they suck? No...I just don't like their style. Limp Bizkit sucks. Staind sucks. Nu metal sucks. BFMV actually has some really decent thrashy riffs, although it's all surrounded by metalcore singalong bullshit. Trivium is a big Metallica rip-off, but at least they can play. However, I can't stand the metalcore style vocals...rough, clean, rough, clean...and not even a good clean, like Opeth, but a "punk" clean. I guess that's why it's "metalcore"...metal/hardcore. BFMV has no place in Wacken...but after seeing some of their videos, they aren't so far removed from COB.
Therefore, I'm left to believe that it's not so much the bands themselves that we love to hate, but the fans of these bands. The knuckleheads who really exacerbate the things that are wrong in the metal scene today. But ten years ago, would bands like this even be big? How many of you remember feeling blown away when a solo from a "metal" band was played on MTV? Face it people: we're much better off now than we were with nu-metal, and if you don't think so, then you are too young to remember nu-metal in all it's "glory". Nu metal took the worst parts of grunge and the worst parts of metal and put them together for a giant shit sandwich that we all had to eat for about ten years. Would you rather hear "Nookie" from Limp Bizkit or "Pull Harder on the Strings of Your Martyr" by Trivium? I really don't like Trivium, but I'll take those fuckers any day of the week over nu-metal.
But Matt Heafy of Trivium listens to all metal: black, thrash, death, etc., and I'm not talking black like Dimmu Borgir...I'm talking Burzum black. Ok, he may not be as tr00 and n3kr0 as some black metalheads, but at least he has a diverse culture in metal. So he's a spoiled kid who had everything given to him. So did half the fucking musicians I know, and they aren't doing shit in their shitty bands. It's popular to hate a band for being popular, and it's so stupid. I've seen people stop listening to bands like Nile, Behemoth, and Cannibal Corpse because they felt they were growing too mainstream. That's just idiocy, crazy talk.
The people who say that Trivium deserved having piss thrown at them are either:
A. Just talking out of their ass on a music forum because it's safe, or
B. Childish adolescents who have no idea what this type of music is all about: mutual respect and support.
Trivium have never said that they're the best, that they were better than Iron Maiden, that no one is good enough to play with them. They haven't done anything but play their music and be extremely humble in every interview and thankful and gracious to all their fans who support them and fellow bands who support them as well. I don't really like Trivium, but I would never throw piss at them, no matter how much I despise metalcore.
I honestly believe that it comes down to the attention the bands get from the 15 year old fans. I feel the same way about Tool fans...they're worse than Metallica fans. At least Metallica fans are just kinda like, "beer, metal, beer, metal", etc. Tool fans try to examine and come up with some bullshit about how genius Tool's music is, about how X song is actually a schematic for a building or some shit. Are you kidding? Most of them are a bunch of pseudo-intellectual dumbasses who think Danny Carey is the greatest drummer in the world because he can play polyrhythms...really slowly. The second Meshuggah is mentioned, they turn their brains off because NO ONE could EVER be as good as Tool. I've found that the people who like Tool the most are the worst musicians, if musicians at all. Not to say that if it's your favorite band, you're a shitty guitarist...but the majority of these people touting this band can't play a note, so everything they hear, they think it's fucking gold. I have a feeling that there are these types of fans also in metalcore circles, and that's why we love to hate them.
