What am I doing so horribly wrong that I prefer real amp+impulses over a miced cab?

[Jevil]

@EMD, I understand you... I have the same problem. I have a nice tight tone in my gigs, people congratulates me for that. But when micing it... it is lifeless, not tight enough...
No matter what amp, mic or cabinet I use in studio. Some tones are more or less decent, but not good enough, and most of them sound like shit.

I tried every spot on the speaker milimeter by milimeter.
I can't beat my own Onqel's ampsims tones.

 

[Emdprodukt]

You guys should convince me to try around more no but for real: I totaly understand you Jevil! It's almost the exact same thing for me. I'm really scared to reamp the tracks for our upcoming album. That's not the ways it should be

 

[Emdprodukt]

Okay I was wrong and miced amps rule much more. You just need good musicians.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Okay I was wrong and miced amps rule much more. You just need good musicians.

Allow me to tell you what of the following I'd choose:

1. A mic'd amp going into an M-Audio Profire2626.

OR

2. An Impulse captured in a kick-ass professional environment with an Api3124/Neve and an Apogee Rosetta 200 AD/DA converter.

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I would go for NO.2

 

[Emdprodukt]

I do have an api3124 ff800 converters are OK

 

[Jaymz]

Allow me to tell you what of the following I'd choose:

1. A mic'd amp going into an M-Audio Profire2626.

OR

2. An Impulse captured in a kick-ass professional environment with an Api3124/Neve and an Apogee Rosetta 200 AD/DA converter.

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I would go for NO.2

NO.1 here :Smokin:

 

[Fox Mulder]

I do have an api3124 ff800 converters are OK

Very good. FF800 converters are OK. And I assume your room is great too. Wooden floor, without or without carpet. Sand under the floor to avoid resonances.

An online UPS or a kick-ass power conditioner as well?

 

[Emdprodukt]

lol, no, my room is SHIT. it's a shelter, concrete floor with carpet

 

[Fox Mulder]

lol, no, my room is SHIT. it's a shelter, concrete floor with carpet

Impulses are your best friend. Same here.
Room's treated to hell and back though, but I wouldn't wanna track here.

M-Audio Firewire410, Presonus TubePre.

 

[Emdprodukt]

you may like to check this thread: http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/rate-my-mix-tone-threads/689230-first-spoiler-our-upcoming-album-lots-real-stuff-100-real-snare-toms.html

some people really liked my reamped guitars and since then I'm pretty convinced I need to take more time to get the micing right. Oh, and btw: My favourite impulse was tracked in a untreated room with ok gear

I tried to match the sound of amp + imuplse with a mic and the result was so much better. I tracked those guitars in an untreated room next to my "studio". How much does the room change the sound when you're close micing anyway?

 

[Fox Mulder]

I tried to match the sound of amp + imuplse with a mic and the result was so much better. I tracked those guitars in an untreated room next to my "studio". How much does the room change the sound when you're close micing anyway?

I'm at school right now so can't really visit the link. An untreated room would produce low-mid/low-end resonances irrespective of how close the mic is. But hey, if it sounds good, it sounds good!

 

[John_C]

Seeing that we're in a creative industry, personally I like to do my own work instead of buying in a slightly deprived version of someone else's.

 

[Emdprodukt]

that's why I'm still trying around with mics, no matter how much frustration the result may bring up

 

[The StabbinCabin]

I can't for the life of me get a tolerable tone with sims- it's always harsh grossness that is a bitch to try and fix, and fail. Did a Triple Rec with awesome impulses and it sounded flat. I just want to get good with the real thing isufgbfdiub

 

[Leon--]

mic technique definately,this is a true audio engineering thing that takes a lot of experimentation and can make your sound killer or destroy it absolutely.
another huge fact is the head/cab.
we all know that for metal stuff you need good models like the peavey 6505,mesa dual rectifier,diezel or even sansamp preamp with a good poweramp bla bla.
the strings definately play a role,and of course the performance.
i think that you will make it if you experiment,this issue needs time and i have also failed in the past in order to improve it,that's evolution haha.
even know you have to worry about it