What does Blackguard do when not touring? (aka the thread that won't die)

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:lol: I'm the same age. What does that have to do with it?

It means I didn't have the option of going out to buy metal when I was a teenager, because I wasn't exposed to it. My age, in combination with where I grew up, generally doesn't equal metal.

Seriously, people. You're lucky I even know how to read.
 
Ok simple formula here:

Tons of money + management or record labels that get you tour offers + several solid albums + destroying at the shows every night = success at some point.

Tons of money:
Bands starting up will probably burn through $75,000+ before they have enough touring and solid CDs before they even see their first dime of actuall profit but wait..... That's still owed back to a bank, parents, or record label. This is true because we as well as several other bands are well on our way to spending this or already have.

Tour offers:
Depends on who you know to get the elite slots. Claus you are the man.

Solid albums:
Unless you are some rediculous prog band, you need to tour. I dont think any power metal band has "just become" a hit just with a good album. I belive a band dosent nessisaraly have to tour everytime they get an offer but rather take the big ones. Make your money work for you. Traveling costs are the same if your touring with overkill or blind guardian, soilwork or iron maiden. Solid albums will remedy the constant touring but that also costs a lot of money. Sometime saying no and waiting is worth it.

Parents and banks:
We would be nowhere if it hadn't been for our family support. Period. And some very generous rich people :)

Be good live and very personable:
We are very new at this. Every show we learn something new and figure out how to be better. The seven kingdoms you saw at mid week is no longer the seven kingdoms you will see at the Trocadero on Friday. And that seven kingdoms will not be the same band that plays Florida Powerfest in December. Slay every night and make it your goal to make the bands playing after you, no matter how big they are, look like they should be opening for YOU. This is not music it is war. Also try and give every one of your fans time. Granted when you have lots of them that's hard but at least try and be thankful for that.

Just my 2 cents I can't wait to see what the road brings :)
 
Hey, has anyone heard of the band 'Blackguard?'


If so, do they ever tour?


I COULDN'T RESIST (too much vanilla latte)
 
I'm guessing that it's because that style of metal made it over to the US much later than around Europe that you're all so "late on the boat" ... my first Strato disc was the debut, so it's kind of interesting to see how many of you didn't know the band until LATE in their career.

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Seriously. I can't take serious someone who says they like Power Metal, yet ignore bands (and certain albums) by Helloween, Stratovarius, Angra, Gamma Ray and Blind Guardian.

(not that it's necessarily the case with Dutchess, but in general...)

It's called too many bands, too little time, not to mention finances. :lol: And I would argue (not necessarily in this case) that if you like one band, you aren't necessarily going to like the others. I think this is especially true with Blind Guardian and some of Gamma Ray and of course newer Helloween.
 
I'm guessing that it's because that style of metal made it over to the US much later than around Europe that you're all so "late on the boat" ... my first Strato disc was the debut, so it's kind of interesting to see how many of you didn't know the band until LATE in their career.

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Indeed.
Though their debut came out pre-internet, and had zero US distribution.
Couple that with a major shift with underground metal in the States (IE - the bigger bands changing directions, many others breaking up, etc)....
 
It's called too many bands, too little time, not to mention finances. :lol: And I would argue (not necessarily in this case) that if you like one band, you aren't necessarily going to like the others. I think this is especially true with Blind Guardian and some of Gamma Ray and of course newer Helloween.

I am 50 / 50 on this one.
I suppose it comes down to how BIG of a fan of a genre you are.
In recent years I have been getting into a TON of different stuff from many genres.

For example, I have only first explored "dark metal" (some call it death doom, etc), around 2005ish (Depending on whether or not you would say OPETH falls in this umbrella. Anyhow, I instantly got into bands like Anathema, My Dying Bride, and Katatonia. It wasn't until this year though until I got CDs by Amorphis and Draconian, etc.

as you said Simon, so many bands.

Lots of times, CD purchases are driven by bands you may be going to see live. Lots of factors.

Back to the point AngraRULES was making though, is that I do have to agree that Keepers I and II are essential and mandatory listening for ALL of metal, not even power metal.
 
I'm guessing that it's because that style of metal made it over to the US much later than around Europe that you're all so "late on the boat" ... my first Strato disc was the debut, so it's kind of interesting to see how many of you didn't know the band until LATE in their career.

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I got into them with Destiny. I was out of metal for about 8 years and this was one of the first CD's I got when I started to look into newer ( well at the time to me) bands.
 
It's called too many bands, too little time, not to mention finances. :lol: And I would argue (not necessarily in this case) that if you like one band, you aren't necessarily going to like the others. I think this is especially true with Blind Guardian and some of Gamma Ray and of course newer Helloween.

Yes, very true. I jumped into power metal because I was shocked to hear "nerd metal", AKA, songs about dragons and swords and shit. My favorite song was "Where the Dragon Lies Bleeding", and I would play it while raiding in WoW. In those days, I probably wouldn't have been all that into Helloween or Accept. Nowadays, things are different!
 
Lots of times, CD purchases are driven by bands you may be going to see live. Lots of factors.

Good point. I can imagine a kid fairly fresh into metal going to see some band like Nevermore that his older cousin turned him onto. Since his slate is pretty clean, when he sees a band, like, I dunno, Blackguard, he says "whoa! Synchronized headbanging is the most awesome thing I've ever seen!" He immediately becomes a fan and buys a shirt (and then goes home and downloads their album...this is a kid, remember!)

It matters not a whit to that kid how many tours Blackguard had been on in the past, because he wasn't at any of those shows*. The important thing is that Blackguard connected with a new fan at *that* show, and the more shows they play, the more chances they have to make such a connection.

The amount of music out there far exceeds anyone's ability to be even aware of it all, much less listen to it. Thus, to get people to actually hear your music, bands need to use a variety of tricks to cajole people into listening, and out-compete the thousands of other bands vying for that same prize. One trick is to write songs that people tell their friends about. Another is to spend a lot of money on straight advertising. For bands without those abilities or resources, a third trick is to get attached to tours. If there are two bands with the exact same songs, I hope we can all agree that the band that tours their ass off is going to end up with more fans than the band that stays at home.

So back to Stratovarius. You could probably find plenty of people who would tell you that Stratovarius peaked creatively and perfected their formula with 'Visions' in 1998, and should have just called it quits after that, instead of crapping out stale and uninspired rehashes. But if they had done that, you and others in this thread would have never become fans. Sure, nothing would have stopped you from going back and picking up 'Episode' or 'Visions' in 2001 (just as Blackguard could have done one tour and then relied on people to seek them out), but clearly that's not how people hear music that's new to them. It generally has to be shoved in front of them somehow, which Stratovarius did for you by releasing a "new" album of leftovers, a pure promotion/cash-in built of songs not good enough for their normal albums.

Hopefully that helps you see the world through the perspective of someone whose eyes aren't your own. You think Blackguard shoving themselves in front of people is ineffective and perhaps even damaging, because Blackguard's shoving doesn't work on *you*. But Stratovarius's shoving worked on you. And you just said "Lots of times, CD purchases are driven by bands you may be going to see live", so you clearly understand that there is some relationship between live shoving and CD sales, so you're only a synapse-connection away from agreeing that Blackguard's constant touring can be good for them.

* some stats (as always!) to back up my postulation that Blackguard's "overexposure" is much more a figment of your imagination than reality: I go to far more shows than most people, 135 over the last 5 years, and the total number of times I've seen Blackguard, Swashbuckle, Powerglove, Into Eternity, or any of the other road-dog bands mentioned in this thread is...3. One each for Into Eternity, Swashbuckle, and Blackguard. And I believe you've said you haven't even seen Blackguard a single time? So how do you conclude from that that Blackguard is actually "overexposed"?

Neil
 
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