What is art and what is not.
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Necroraven
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PerkeleenLuoma
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That's the most vague explanation ever
Haha. What i ment is that here in Finland there are tons of teenagers with canons taking "artistic pictures" and that kind of crap. Taking a picture of a flower and photoshopping it. I cant even write properly today
:Smokin:edit: cause im drunk
edit2: And you are from finland too
perkele
Panzerjager
Cogitu ergo sum
Art is a product of human creativity and his emotions. so if teenagers want to take pictures with their canons, very good. This is an expression of their creativity and emotions. Nothing harmfull about it, it stimulates their creativity
I think one can find art in everything, or at least look at anything from an artistic perspective. Art doesn't even have to be intentional. Some believe that art has to result from talent, creativity, etc... I just think there is good art and bad art, and that which is which is highly subjective, naturally.
I had a college professor who was adamant that there was a strict dividing line between art and non art. It's funny, because one of his chief criteria was whether or not other artists recognized the object in question as art, apparently failing to recognize the circular nature of his own argument. You'd expect more out of someone with a "Dr." in front of his name, I thought.
I had a college professor who was adamant that there was a strict dividing line between art and non art. It's funny, because one of his chief criteria was whether or not other artists recognized the object in question as art, apparently failing to recognize the circular nature of his own argument. You'd expect more out of someone with a "Dr." in front of his name, I thought.
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Lady Gaga art my ass. According to her fans, Lady Gaga dresses like she does (omg so unique) to break free of social norms. Funny how she is making more money than they ever will whilst being an "outcast". Anyway, back on topic.
Art is and always will be subjective. There is no objective way of defining art. Some people consider splodges on a canvas art. I consider metal an art. Other people don't. Art is undefinable in this sense.
Art is and always will be subjective. There is no objective way of defining art. Some people consider splodges on a canvas art. I consider metal an art. Other people don't. Art is undefinable in this sense.
Lost Wisdom
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How is Lady Gaga not art? She writes her own music, she is a very talented musician and knows how to write a good tune. Surely the fact alone that she creates and people receive her creations with criticism is enough for it to be art? She does dress a little strange...but then again I guess standards are high on here, after all metal bands are clear style leaders when it comes to fashion. Did you know denim jackets with sew on patches recently appeared on the cover of Vogue?
There is no point even trying to defend Jay-Z on here, the metal scene is shockingly narrow minded sometimes.
Grindcore may be considered an attempt at art, but if we were all honest with ourselves and stopped liking it just "because" I think we could all agree its nothing more than pure shit. I think if you tried to quiz someone on Nasum songs (give the contestant 5 seconds to correctly name the song) they wouldn't be able to. Not unless they studied for it! Which is just fucking ridiculous. A good piece of art should be instantly recognisable, Grindcore is just noise.
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There is no point even trying to defend Jay-Z on here, the metal scene is shockingly narrow minded sometimes.
Grindcore may be considered an attempt at art, but if we were all honest with ourselves and stopped liking it just "because" I think we could all agree its nothing more than pure shit. I think if you tried to quiz someone on Nasum songs (give the contestant 5 seconds to correctly name the song) they wouldn't be able to. Not unless they studied for it! Which is just fucking ridiculous. A good piece of art should be instantly recognisable, Grindcore is just noise.
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Lady Gaga's telivised concert that was on HBO a week ago just made me think of Madonna
Lady Gaga has obviously been influenced by Madonna, Marilyn Manson, etc. She's largely doing stuff that has been done before, and seems to believe she's shocking people a lot more than she is. I'm not hating on her for it - she actually seems like a positive enough person from what little I've seen of her. I'd certainly rather someone like her achieve mainstream success than someone that got up on stage and spewed hate at everyone. But as has been pointed out, her massive success sort of disproves the idea that she is some kind of outcast. Just because a few evangelicals and Catholic priests don't like her doesn't mean all that much. These are the same people that protest Disney World for giving medical benefits to gay couples. The people that are threatened by Lady Gaga aren't taken nearly so seriously as they might have been a couple decades ago.
Kathaaria
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Commercial music is hardly music, It's business as we know it. How can business be an art?
Jimmy... Dead.
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Like goodness, beauty and art is not "in the object" or "in the eye of the beholder" it is in the object as judged by a rational observer.
Art is a selective re creation of a persons perceived reality according to hisher metaphysical perspective. The condition of reality that represent mans fundamental view of himself and of existence. Out of all the conscious countless number of concretes an artist isolates the things which he regards as metaphysically essential and begins to merge them into a single new concrete that represents a complete abstraction.
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Jimmy... Dead.
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TheCultist
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Pretty much explains it. Why then are Michael Bay movies not art ,Lady Gaga's albums not art? Who are we to judge ,who are we to decide? Why are then 4-year old child's painting's of its mom and dad not art? Is is to subjective to say or is art something that just is?
Is Dali's "Telephone" art by that same thought?
Discuss please.
Jimmy... Dead.
contemplative curmudgeon
Art is not everything and anything. That's a contradiction because that would mean Art stands on it's own without human beings, which is just silly.
Art is not just creation (a volcano is not art) but meaning. An interpretation of Human perceptions into Human conceptions from an honest point of view. His/Her view of reality. Art is human and significant.
A college student smearing shit on the wall is not a view ot interpretation of anything but his/her own insignificance.
Kathaaria and every other subjectivist here are recognizably mystified.
Art is not just creation (a volcano is not art) but meaning. An interpretation of Human perceptions into Human conceptions from an honest point of view. His/Her view of reality. Art is human and significant.
A college student smearing shit on the wall is not a view ot interpretation of anything but his/her own insignificance.
Kathaaria and every other subjectivist here are recognizably mystified.
TheCultist
Apprentice
Why would humans be the only ones to create art? (Spontaneous animal activity for example could be art) It could be beautiful ,it could be breath-taking ,magnificent ,extraordinary and so on... Like I said ,why would we determine what is art?
Question for this abowe^.
And once that same student gets a diploma from a Academy than smearing shit on walls is nothing but pure art ,right?
