What's wrong with this snare?

[JayB]

Printing this snare right now, got it compressed, transient designer on it, eq'd, etc etc. But I can't seem to get rid of some nasty qualities this snare has. I'm blending it 50/50 with a sample, but even still there's some noticeable "bonk" to the snare on a lot of hits. Anyone know how to fix this? Here's a sample (this is just the original snare, no drum samples, and no verb or anything)

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2354806/Sneap Forum Mix help/John Snare S1 .mp3

Edit: Revised

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2354806/Sneap Forum Mix help/John S1 Snare Revised.mp3

 

[Axell Strad]

So what's the problem, just drag a good performed part on those parts you want to replace

 

[Mago]

Seems it gets ringier at some spots where he hits it different....dunno if that is a tuning issue or not
not much to fix if you don't want to replace/augment....you can try to notch out the ring

 

[Zento]

Using a notch eq to cut a few db at 400-450hz seems to do the trick (at least remove those nasty harmonics)

 

[JayB]

Using a notch eq to cut a few db at 400-450hz seems to do the trick (at least remove those nasty harmonics)

Thanks, I tried a bunch of frequencies but I couldn't seem to find the one that notched the ringing out. I'll try this

 

[JayB]

I also realized that I had decapitator on after transient designer, on full wet.... it was only at like 2 drive but I put it down to around 4 on mix knob and it sounds much better. Still have to get rid of the ring though

 

[JayB]

Seems it gets ringier at some spots where he hits it different....dunno if that is a tuning issue or not
not much to fix if you don't want to replace/augment....you can try to notch out the ring

Yeah I was trying to do this, it's hard without losing clarity. I guess I'll have to make the sample a little more prominent than the real snare

 

[Habsburgs]

why is the snare so LOUD

 

[JayB]

why is the snare so LOUD

why does volume matter? This isn't in a mix

 

[JayB]

Ok here's a revised version, I did the notch at 450 to get the ring out, changed decapitator settings so mix is only at like 2, etc etc. This snare is very very dynamic, so I'm wondering what I should do.... I have CLA 76 on there doing about 12-15 db gr, but there's still a big gap between light and hard hits. Do I just clip all those peaks with g clip, or should I try to compress them more? I already have g clip at the end of the chain before rc channel, but it's not taking a lot off. I'm afraid of neutering the hard hits...

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2354806/Sneap Forum Mix help/John S1 Snare Revised.mp3

 

[JayB]

here's a screen of what's happening in g clip with the snare... this shows the huge jump between light and hard hits... should I be clipping it more than this? Like I said this is after eq, compression (12-15 db 1176) transient designer etc

 

[Erik Monsonis]

Don't ever mix a snare with it's track solo'd. Mix it in the mix and you'll save yoursef a lot of time posting here and waiting for someone to reply.

 

[JayB]

Don't ever mix a snare with it's track solo'd. Mix it in the mix and you'll save yoursef a lot of time posting here and waiting for someone to reply.

I do, this is just me trying to isolate the problem on this snare track. I noticed the problem in the mix, as I mentioned in my original post. At the moment I have the problems nailed down and fixed, I'm just trying to get the g clip settings right. Do you have any thoughts on that? Should I be clipping it to where all the hard hits are clipped down to the same level as the normal hits (see above pic I posted)?

 

[Erik Monsonis]

As long as it sounds good, I don't usually care for the visuals (red leds, clip indcators and stuff) that much. And in my opinion this last clip sounded good on its own.
Is it possible that you post the same clip, just with everything in this time?

 

[JayB]

As long as it sounds good, I don't usually care for the visuals (red leds, clip indcators and stuff) that much. And in my opinion this last clip sounded good on its own.
Is it possible that you post the same clip, just with everything in this time?

Sure, I'm bouncing a mix of the snare now... do you mean with the verb and everything or just the original snare...

 

[JayB]

Ok here's revised version, with much more clipping to even out the dynamics between hard hits and normal hits

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2354806/Sneap Forum Mix help/John S1 Snare Revised 2.mp3

and here's a rough version with samples in there and verb

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2354806/Sneap Forum Mix help/John S1 Snare Revised 2 w sample and verb.mp3

 

[JayB]

Also, what kind of hi/lo pass are you guys dong to the snare verb bus usually? Mine's currently at like 200 hz/ 7.7 khz, but I think they both should be more extreme

 

[Erik Monsonis]

I meant in the whole mix, with all instruments to see how does it cut through the wall of guitars and amps.
That last sample with the verb sounds fantastic on its own. I'd leave it like that (the reverb and filter thing)

 

[JayB]

It cuts through fine. Like I said I just wanted to get rid of the ringing and I had some questions about the clipping, but obviously that's all settled now

 

[JayB]

since you asked though, here's a version with the full mix

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2354806/Sneap Forum Mix help/John S1 Snare Revised Full Mix.mp3