Which Kayo Dot song is the most advanced, compositionally, in your opinion?

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I'm applying for a grant, application due March 1st. I can only submit one piece.. and I think i should use the one that's most compositionally advanced yet still awesome. Also I think the rock aspect should be downplayed. I was leaning towards marathon. What do you guys think? I need answers by this weekend.
 
I like Manifold a lot in terms of composition, but if you want to downplay the whole "rock" thing, the last 5 or so minutes wouldn't really gel with that goal.
 
I think Wayfarer would probably appeal the most to a group of people who may be somewhat opposed to the rock. Besides, nobody can deny the excellence of the middle section of that song.
 
while i wouldn't necessarily pick manifold curiosity as a whole to represent your 'pushing compositional barriers' strengths (as far as staying away from rock tendencies, i mean), the midsection (7:00-10:00) is really cool i think as far as the arrangements go (in terms of chord/note choices). the antique would be interesting, but as far as the longer 5-minute beginning goes, i wouldn't want them to skip through some of it and say 'Eh, this is all the same' and just disregard it- you know?

i think Marathon is a good choice, in that it's definitely compositionally interesting: rhythmically, in that it does not often fit easily into a predictable, head-nodding pattern; timbrally, in that the arrangement incorporates a lot of different instruments other pieces don't necessarily include (trombone, french horn, flute, organ, rhodes, etc.); emotionally, in that the peaks and low points of energy of the piece pretty much run the gamut; tonically in that its chordal progressions are interesting; production- and mixing-wise, especially with the drums at the end and the noises and voices throughout the piece. plus that whole rhodes end with the spoken word is just- GAH.

yeah. marathon. that be my thinking.

how is this to be submitted- in audio format, or in a written score?
 
I think it would be impossible to clearly represent any of the compositions in sheet music due to the 'timbre' or the instrumentation. Not everything can be notated, in this case because of dealy effects, flanging etc. The harmonic range a single note on a effect-ridden guitar cannot clearly be represented in notation. So for your sake, it would be advised to present the completed audio piece.

And as for my suggestion, if you are trying to cater to people with reasonably advanced theoretical knowledge, but not a particular thing for dissonance, chaos and well... heaviness, I suggest Wayfarer. Otherwise Marathon simply is one of the more interesting compositions on the whole, on your debut.

Would be cool to look at their faces if you played The Manifold, after the blistering black metalish thing at around the 14th minute. Probably not good for your chances, but still fun. I find extreme metal vocals upset most 'proper' music theorists quite a bit.

Oh, and hi, everybody.
 
It's required to submit both a score and an audio version. I have no idea how open minded the judges are, but I'm inclined to think that unusual chord + rhythmic structures (marathon) would interest them more than really consonant and straightforward stuff (wayfarer), regardless of how pretty the latter might be.
 
I listened to Marathon very closely, and you have the problem of the processed vocal that cannot be put in notation in the first few minutes. But the very nice counterpoint of the clean guitar and the winds will really help. The chaotic orchestration at the third minute and forth will be a problem to explain, since there are so many layers of voices, piano, guitars... do you really remember exactly what plays what? When it comes together it clears up somewhat. At the fifth minute when the track takes a pentatonic turn (at least I think it's pentatonic! please don't hurt me!) I'm not sure how that will work with the unusual chord changes you're thinking of... Again, the interplay between the keyboard and the delay guitar is very, very beautiful. (and very hard to notate, if at all. You're even using string sweeps as effects, here.) But I'm not sure if it's 'compositionally advanced'. At least not the kind of compositionally advanced they will be looking for. Too ambient, maybe? The problem I think is, that at this point, it's more the merit of the stylistical whole than the merit of the parts that make it what it is themselves... which is a problem for you exactly because you cannot notate the whole of it, due to sound effects, vocals etc.

And sorry if I don't make perfect sense, english is a second language.
 
Go with Marathon. Musicologically I couldn't talk about its distinctions but I like the way it sounds -- though, I think its merits are due more to things outside of composition, the production and effects, the inclusion of a poem at the end, and such. But, as such, the song showcases a load of well-balanced creativty that well exemplifies the rest of the album.
 
Manifold Curiosity > everything.

But Wayfarer has some damn beautiful bits and isn't so metal so I'd suggest that.

Crap I need to listen to Kayodot again. Haven't in a while.
 
Well, they seem to be expecting submissions of music that won't come across clearly in standard notation which is why they ask for recorded versons as well, like I mentioned. Additionally, I think they're likely to find interesting a composer's own creative ways of expressing in notation an unusual part; in other words, yeah of course i could notate this stuff, I'm writing it by hand, not using Cakewalk or Finale or something retarded like that. Furthermore for the effected stuff, believe it or not but they want specs on all the digital or electronic equipment used, so for a certain effected guitar part, I'd have to include the specs R Tap 0.110 ms/ L tap 0.256 ms/ decay 3.267 ms/ gain 0.0 db/ flange 30 % etc etc