YOLOCORE.

[drew_drummer]

It's basically Paramore with a chubby hispanic singer and some "growls". So I don't understand all the hate.

This video/song is way "better" than what 99% of all bands here on this board produce (oh, now I understand all the envy ... I mean ... dislike! ). And even though I don't dig the looks of the singer at all, she'll score huge in the "average girl" and "regular metaldude" demographics and probably even higher in the local hispanic Cali teenage-scene.

This band and video is actually so well "designed" that it's fun for me to listen/watch, because someone did everything right. And 20k views in 2 weeks isn't too bad for a start.

Look dude - you prance about on a stage headbanging to the weakest most basic 808 and 909 drum-patterns, and you throw some shitty 303 loops on the top, and run it all through the Waveshaper inside of Maschine, and then you yell into a microphone about how good pussy is if you can get it, throw in a few 1, 2, 3, 4's and "uhhhs!" and your lyrics are done - trite, unimaginative bullshit. It's no wonder you've got a million views on your Youtube video. You put more emphasis on your fucking mohawk than you do your music, and the majority of your live set is prerecorded, as you've already admitted.

You're barely worth Mozarts finger nail.

I hate you, and I hate your musical output, and I fucking hate your audience and all the retards who click the thumbs up on this kind of "designed" crap.

Seriously - this isn't envy at all. Your music sounds like a bullshit demo song from a 1993 copy of Octamed on the Amiga, with maybe slightly updated production values. It's no different to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcshRLPd9CM

But at least ^THAT was saying something at the time, and had a purpose. What your doing is the epitome of self-centered egotistical absorbed monotonous bullshit, and you're making the world a worse place to live in.

You have no fucking monopoly on talent Mr. Mohawk dude-bro-meister. It doesn't surprise me that you'd defend this weak ass bullshit, and nor does it surprise me that you'd openly attack and criticise the work of people on this board. The only way people like you can get any sort of success is to try to diminish someone elses work. Fuck you very much.

 

[smy1]

Mhhh.. Gotta disagree.. This band (or in fact this video) doesn't look well produced to me. The lipsyncing is quite off, the arrangement of the song is pretty bad, it has a somewhat cheap feeling overall. Still I assume they will attract quite some attention (threads like this one add to this).

Have you seen what unsigned local metal bands usually put out? Just look at the "check out my newest video"-posts here in "The Bar".

The arrangement of the song works absolutely fine in the genres of pop-metal-mall-core (or whatever you wanna call it) because it repeats the chorus a million times and it has a breakdown. What else do you need for this genre?

And YT lipsyncing is always off, cause YT fucks with the audio/video relationship.

When I say "it's well produced", I don't mean that it's produced to the highest standard of current metal music. That would be ridiculous for a band of teenagers. However, if you look at the overall scheme of things:

a) chorus is very catchy - check
b) sound is like target audience currently likes it - check
c) coherent image (relevant to a certain niche/genre) - check
d) nobody in the band looks like he/she doesn't belong - check
e) lyrics are generic and general enough to appeal to lots of people - check
f) video is shot at a decent level and shows "real life" situations that the target audience can relate to - check this video by Motörhead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4b3MBkOx5k and you'll see that it works the same way for the MH target audience
g) band name fits into the (slowly ending) trend of 3 word bandnames

What you are criticizing are minor technical glitches that have nothing to do with good/bad production.

 

[smy1]

Look dude <snip> Fuck you very much.

 

[drew_drummer]

As if to prove my point.

- Overt usage of autotune
- 909 snare, with some "phat" compression.
- Distorted basslines.
- Distorted leadlines.
- Excessive use of sidechain compression.
- Trite lyrics with no substance whatsoever.
- Formulaic arrangements.
- 90's Josh Wink filter-wankery.

Everybody knows that your standard's subterranean
And the logic in my words does not permeate your cranium
Everybody knows that you think that you are serious
While everybody here knows that you're delirious

Take your fuckin' meds boy!

Every day you say that you're harder than titanium
When everybody knows that you're toxic like uranium
Every day you try all you can to be insidious
While everybody here knows that you're just hideous

Yeah.... "huss" and "eeeuuuuummmm" ... lets find all the words that rhyme and throw them together into an incoherent mess, because that's what these pill-popping techno-freak wankers like to hear... drown these cunts in repetition, and they'll beg for more.

 

[xFkx]

as always in life, things come down to personal taste :]

 

[smy1]

as always in life, things come down to personal taste :]

Of course they do, but discussing personal taste is kinda boring, isn't it? I mean, then any discussion always ends with "it always comes down to personal taste"

 

[SocialNumb]

Dude, I don't hate you like drew does but you're way to into this sell a product idea, and while thats cool if you're selling Twinkies or the newest gadget, it sucks the life out of what is supposed to be an art, music. Thank fuck I never wanted to be a working musician in the music biz, it fucking sucks from what I can tell. You basically have to become a coke can and sell out to get anywhere or be that very lucky exception. No thanks.

Oh, about the video. It sucks. Total shit.

 

[xFkx]

Of course they do, but discussing personal taste is kinda boring, isn't it? I mean, then any discussion always ends with "it always comes down to personal taste"

but c'mon, it usualy does end this way, at least when you have respect for your debater, agree to disagree and stuff like that

 

[CubanDude]

Have you seen what unsigned local metal bands usually put out? Just look at the "check out my newest video"-posts here in "The Bar".

The arrangement of the song works absolutely fine in the genres of pop-metal-mall-core (or whatever you wanna call it) because it repeats the chorus a million times and it has a breakdown. What else do you need for this genre?

And YT lipsyncing is always off, cause YT fucks with the audio/video relationship.

When I say "it's well produced", I don't mean that it's produced to the highest standard of current metal music. That would be ridiculous for a band of teenagers. However, if you look at the overall scheme of things:

a) chorus is very catchy - check
b) sound is like target audience currently likes it - check
c) coherent image (relevant to a certain niche/genre) - check
d) nobody in the band looks like he/she doesn't belong - check
e) lyrics are generic and general enough to appeal to lots of people - check
f) video is shot at a decent level and shows "real life" situations that the target audience can relate to - check this video by Motörhead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4b3MBkOx5k and you'll see that it works the same way for the MH target audience
g) band name fits into the (slowly ending) trend of 3 word bandnames

What you are criticizing are minor technical glitches that have nothing to do with good/bad production.

coming up with your own list of what makes a product good doesn't prove your argument and even though I disagree, i.e. the chorus isn't catchy for me. And also +1 on what SocialNumb said, I highly respect you for your success and your knowledge about how to sell your music, but to me this isn't what music is about. I never claimed that my opinion is the one and only, but I have the right to have my own. And I'd also say I'm pretty open minded. I.e. I think Flo Ridas "Blow my whistle" (or whatever it's called) is genius. THIS is what I call catchy (I know, the "comparison" - although I actually don't really compare them, just stating what I find to be catchy - is kinda lame since Flo Rida sold millions of records and this is a band in its beginning).

 

[drew_drummer]

I've no problem with people making shit. But I should have the freedom to say what I think of it - that's how art and entertainment works. Sami has all to long been fond of criticising others, and everyone just skirts around his ego, trying to avoid telling him that his shit is weak.

So fuck it. I decided to just come out with it. I don't care how many fans, how many views, or how many sales you've got Sami. Your shit is fucking dire, and is barely two levels above the YOLOCORE video that started this entire thread.

 

[DeclanWhite]

haha this is the chick that goes on talent shows and does this:

 

[smy1]

Dude, I don't hate you like drew does but you're way to into this sell a product idea, and while thats cool if you're selling Twinkies or the newest gadget, it sucks the life out of what is supposed to be an art, music. Thank fuck I never wanted to be a working musician in the music biz, it fucking sucks from what I can tell. You basically have to become a coke can and sell out to get anywhere or be that very lucky exception. No thanks.

Oh, about the video. It sucks. Total shit.

Don't get me wrong just because I generally comment on marketing aspects (since not many others do on this forum).

I usually define the process into two phases:

A) make your music
b) once the music is done, sell the music - but don't do it half-assed (like an "artist" would) and then wonder why nobody ever heard of you.

In phase A you do whatever you like. If it's grindcore with polka and jazz influences, great. If it's oldschool-punk, great. If it's country-techno, great. If it's pop-rock, great too. Don't compromise. Make what you wanna make. Hopefully not an exact copy of something that's already there.

But in phase B, you have to think about what you have to sell and how you want to sell it to who.

This does NOT mean everything needs to be sold by pop-standards. If you make black metal it might be the worst idea to sell it by pop-standards. It just means you need to sell yourself to spread your music.

My life's goal has always been to have as many people as possible listen to my music, while keeping control of my music/rights. I know I'll be making and releasing stuff till I am dead, so the latter part is very important to me. So if I want people to listen to my music (and you know personally that I write 4-5 different styles) I need to think like a record label would if I want my music to spread.

This forum frustrates me sometimes because on one hand you have a great technical resource with knowledgeable people but then a lot of the same people don't think beyond phase A - yet openly complain that they aren't getting ahead in their own careers (because the biz sucks, the bands suck, the times suck, etc.). Yes, this applies to music production.

In terms of the band in the OP video that means: if you are the producer you'll probably have a bit of afterwork coming from other bands, simply because they are creating a bit of a fuzz.

Of course, if you never want to release anything and just record for yourself, your friends or your family, you can totally skip phase B (and maybe be happier).

 

[Mago]

whatever works doesn't have to be good, whatever might be good doesn't have to work.


i think i have a looming analogy to concentration camps - well designed, not really beneficial to humanity

Love that post!


These kind of entertainment products (not going into the "is it art/music or not discussion now) need to be done.
Vast majority of people want that easy kind of stuff. Nothing wrong with that imo. Bluntly put I'd say something like "dumb music for dumb people", but I don't like the snobbish sound of that.

 

[smy1]

And I'd also say I'm pretty open minded. I.e. I think Flo Ridas "Blow my whistle" (or whatever it's called) is genius. THIS is what I call catchy (I know, the "comparison" - although I actually don't really compare them, just stating what I find to be catchy - is kinda lame since Flo Rida sold millions of records and this is a band in its beginning).

"Blow my whistle" is definitely catchier, yes. Doesn't mean "Do Or Die" isn't catchy

 

[jipchen]

I don't see what your point is smy1. Yes, the visuals are not bad, the sound is fitting for the genre, but that doesn't change a thing about the horrible, lowbrow music. If someone hands you a sandwich that looks real good, has a nice colourful packaging and well produced TV ads but tastes like shit would you still say "that's well done, I don't see why you don't like this sandwich"?
Not hating or anything, just honestly wondering.

Also, I don't know but the band probably only provided the crappy music, and all of the other stuff that was "well done" were other people. So.. no credit for the band. I can see that marketing music is important but yeah... painting shit in neon colors isn't going to make it less shit.

 

[DeclanWhite]

It hurts how catchy the chorus is

 

[CubanDude]

I've no problem with people making shit. But I should have the freedom to say what I think of it - that's how art and entertainment works. Sami has all to long been fond of criticising others, and everyone just skirts around his ego, trying to avoid telling him that his shit is weak.

So fuck it. I decided to just come out with it. I don't care how many fans, how many views, or how many sales you've got Sami. Your shit is fucking dire, and is barely two levels above the YOLOCORE video that started this entire thread.

That escalated quickly

 

[smy1]

I don't see what your point is smy1. Yes, the visuals are not bad, the sound is fitting for the genre, but that doesn't change a thing about the horrible, lowbrow music. If someone hands you a sandwich that looks real good, has a nice colourful packaging and well produced TV ads but tastes like shit would you still say "that's well done, I don't see why you don't like this sandwich"?
Not hating or anything, just honestly wondering.

I still have the chorus in my head. For me that's a good thing.

My point is that very often here on this board people hate on something that's actually well done. If this was a "make lofty art"-board then I'd even understand it, but this is largely a music-production-community started by one of the prominent metal-producers of our time.

All I'm saying is that if you run a studio and are a producer, you'll probably be better off seeing bands like this for what they are instead of dismissing them as shit. Unless you are fully booked for 6 months with only bands that you pick. Then it doesn't matter.

The point is: instead of bashing it, find the good in any band that you don't like. It'll help you when you work with one of these bands or when you think about what to do with your own band.

 

[DeclanWhite]

this was produced by joel piper of Confide fyi. hence the good production/catchy clean vocals but crappy mix haha

 

[drew_drummer]

The point is: instead of bashing it, find the good in any band that you don't like. It'll help you when you work with one of these bands or when you think about what to do with your own band.

In the process of making your absurd "protectionist" point, you've made yourself a hypocrite by bashing everyone else on this forum.

And since you've bashed me directly in the past, criticising my band and our "image", I felt perfectly entitled to feed you some of your own medicine.