12 dead, 31 wounded after shooting at U.S. military base.

I don't see how it would be too difficult. When comparing to our military service, if you really wanted to do something like that, it would be quite simple:

1) Pocket a handful of live rounds during every rifle range exercise, no one would notice since there's 20 people shooting at once and we are given about 80 - 120 rounds every session
2) When you have enough ammo, fill your magazines and just wait until the next formation rehearsal (the rifles are unlocked from the rack)
3) ?????
4) Profit?

:erk:

It was a bit harder than that when I was doing my service in '08. There was usually one or two officers, two or three corporals and a cadet (not sure if they're the right ranks in english, but skappari, alikit and a kokelas :)) constantly watching over us, so most probably someone would have noticed if one of us had tried to steal live rounds. Also, when the exercise was over, an officer always checked our mags, combat vests and pockets. Not very thoroughly, but still.

We had one dude go apeshit pretty heavily, but gladly he didn't have access to a rifle or ammunition at that moment.
 
Supposedly the guy was shouting "allahu akbar" during the shootings.

I would call the guy insane on principle, but I wouldn't call the attack a mental breakdown or anything like that. Is Jihad is more likely?
 
It was a bit harder than that when I was doing my service in '08. There was usually one or two officers, two or three corporals and a cadet (not sure if they're the right ranks in english, but skappari, alikit and a kokelas :)) constantly watching over us, so most probably someone would have noticed if one of us had tried to steal live rounds. Also, when the exercise was over, an officer always checked our mags, combat vests and pockets. Not very thoroughly, but still.

We had one dude go apeshit pretty heavily, but gladly he didn't have access to a rifle or ammunition at that moment.

We actually had a PV1 that was able to get away with collecting rounds. Someone had hinted that he had a list of us(leadership) that he wanted to kill for being 'mean' to him. We searched his locker and found a magazine with 15 rounds in it. And we found the list. Unfortunately, they did nothing to this asshole. They just sent him to a different unit, trying to keep the situation quiet. This was at fort hood FYI.... Guy coulda killed a few of us, and he was serious about it. That's why I wonder if this new incident could have been prevented. Supposedly his co workers knew he was very upset.
 
I know a few and I'd trust them with my life in combat.... It's a very very low percentage of Muslims that have radical views...

We had a muslim on the same troop when I was in the army, and if I had to choose, he'd probably be the guy I'd take with me into a real situation. He was a volunteer, had excellent sense of self-irony, and seemed more stable and capable of handling himself than half of the other guys. Of course this doesn't mean every single muslim is like him, and it definitely isn't the same over here when considering the situation between islam and the US - I'm just saying it to bring out the contrast in these things.

We actually had a PV1 that was able to get away with collecting rounds. Someone had hinted that he had a list of us(leadership) that he wanted to kill for being 'mean' to him. We searched his locker and found a magazine with 15 rounds in it. And we found the list. Unfortunately, they did nothing to this asshole. They just sent him to a different unit, trying to keep the situation quiet. This was at fort hood FYI.... Guy coulda killed a few of us, and he was serious about it. That's why I wonder if this new incident could have been prevented. Supposedly his co workers knew he was very upset.

That's absolutely fucking horrible. Glad to hear he didn't manage to pull it off, but his issues won't just go away with a transfer. Talk about sweeping shit under the carpet, huh.
 
Did you say this to get up peoples noses, or is this actually how your brain works?:hypno:

It was an intentionally provocative comment yes, I was just highlighting that this sort of thing has been used to justify American hostility, so called retribution and murder toward many innocent arabs and muslims before and that I wouldnt be surprised should it happen with this as an excuse.

The casual racism was just used to emphasise the school of thought that many racist right wingers opinions are formed around - that muslims are less than human. No doubt we'll see more of such racism in the days and weeks that follow.
 
That's absolutely fucking horrible. Glad to hear he didn't manage to pull it off, but his issues won't just go away with a transfer. Talk about sweeping shit under the carpet, huh.

I'm not gonna lie, when I heard all the stuff on the news yesterday I instantly thought it was him :yow:

Yeah our command deemed it as just too much 'stress'. Don't ever know what happened to him, probably got discharged eventually.
 
Öwen;8673635 said:
It was an intentionally provocative comment yes, I was just highlighting that this sort of thing has been used to justify American hostility, so called retribution and murder toward many innocent arabs and muslims before and that I wouldnt be surprised should it happen with this as an excuse.

The casual racism was just used to emphasise the school of thought that many racist right wingers opinions are formed around - that muslims are less than human. No doubt we'll see more of such racism in the days and weeks that follow.

Right. Coz I was going to tear you a new one... but then I figured from some of your other posts, that it was supposed to be ironic.
 
Good points...although I believe the fellow was already a Muslim. His parents were Palestinian if I remember correctly. I have read, however, that he was only devout within the past year, and that he never showed any signs of being involved with other extremists or radical Muslims. He came from a pretty well adjusted family too...lots of successful and integrated folk in his family.

And yes, it definitely was premeditated. Dude was not crazy for doing such a thing, even if it was a horrid and warped act. Hell, Dahmer was proven to not be crazy either if I'm not mistaken.

-Joe

Also, the guy was giving away personal items to friends and thanking them for being friends prior to him shooting. It was definitely premeditated. Another sad thing about the whole situation is the guy had been speaking about suicide bombers in the same light as a soldier who jumps on a grenade to save his buddies in combat, as well as glorifying islamic extremism to his fellow Army officers. Those guys blew him off because they thought he was talking crazy to try to get discharged. It sucks when shit like this happens to anyone, and I know people think that because you are a soldier things like this happen, but you have to remember this was not in a combat zone. This was in our own country, on a controlled military base. This shit can happen anywhere, imagine if this had been an elementary school . . . :erk:
 
and that was the catch, he'd have to have been crazy to do it, but by doing it he shows he's not crazy

10 points if you get what i'm not quite quoting :)



I would never allow a muslim in the US army anyways.....that just stupid

I guess you just mean hiring a muslim to kill muslims doesn't sound too smart on the surface. I sincerely hope so anyway