2 new QR tracks

[Chromatose]

while I am going to avoid listening to these samples, I am still anticipating this album. I fear the bootleg quality will get me into the mindset of it sucking, and ruin any judgement I get upon hearing the real thing. I actually think QR still have it in them, they just need the commitment... Mindcrime, Promised Land.. those albums had meaning, and they gave them their all, and they really shine........ after that, they fell apart, you can tell it wasn't a concentrated effort. Hey even I think Tribe was on the cusp of really breaking through, because the songs that are on, are really freakin' on.

They could get it together and put out something respectable at least, and that'll be good enough for me.

 

[Dark One]

No, the points of your post was Tate bashing and "post 94 QR bashing"

Um... noooooo .....I told you the point of my post. Hello?????

And don't give me the "you're Tate bashing this and post 94 QR bashing that" bullshit. You have no defense other than you like post 94 QR, which is fine. But if you don't think that Tate bashing and post 94 QR bashing have been prevailing themes of the underground metal community when discussing QR for years now, then you've been living under a rock.

 

[Dark One]

ah, the last refuge of scoundrels

No, just a refuge of someone who has been told their opinions are crap.

 

[Dark One]

Hm you succeeded in editing your post, pity and you just wrote that first sentence in the beginning
If you cant stand overanalyzing, then dont ask me to do it.

I merely asked you to explain yourself. You did, and I saw your arguments as overanalytical and malicious.

I already explained my points with facts while you just imply things like "you are not paying attention very closely"
And yes do you want us to talk about my anti-usISM ? I fuckin LOVE it. Obviously you "were not paying attention closely" when QR used videos of burning USA flags in their live shows.

Fact - DeGarmo's last major tour with QR was in support of Hear in the Now Frontier. If you don't think that Tate has been the dominant force in the direction of the band since that time "YOU ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION VERY CLOSELY".

And QR's videos of burning USA flags was not a statement on their opinion of the USA. They included videos of all types of things that associate with what's going on in the world today. If all they showed was the burning of USA flags, then you would have a valid point.

What they did and what you do as it relates to the blind ideology of "anti-usISM" are totally different worlds. I'll take theirs anyday over yours.

 

[Dark One]

I have no problem with someone who disagrees with my stance. However, in an ideal world, they would do so in an intelligent, cohernet manner.

 

[IOfTheStorm]

Fact - DeGarmo's last major tour with QR was in support of Hear in the Now Frontier. If you don't think that Tate has been the dominant force in the direction of the band since that time "YOU ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION VERY CLOSELY".

Yea and that was after .. 1997 and not after 1994 like you said. DeGarmo is responsible for the change of style and quality of music in HITNF.

But if you don't think that Tate bashing and post 94 QR bashing have been prevailing themes of the underground metal community when discussing QR for years now, then you've been living under a rock.

You know, i dont fucking care who the (generally stupid) metal community bashes or not. Usually the reasons are of the lowest form of monkey-ism like "fuckers they are not metal anymore, slay em all". Still you havent told me WHY Tate or post 94 QR deserve to be bashed.
I'll leave your comments about "intelligence" because an american post em

 

[IOfTheStorm]

And (as i will say once again), DO NOT ask for "intelligent discussion" since you all make bash O:M II by GUESSING and IMAGINATION.

 

[Dark One]

Yea and that was after .. 1997 and not after 1994 like you said. DeGarmo is responsible for the change of style and quality of music in HITNF.

Let's see, between 1994 and 1997 was 3 years. Between 1997 and 2005 was 8 years. Seems like the majority of Queensryche years post 1994 did not involve Degarmo.

[You know, i dont fucking care who the (generally stupid) metal community bashes or not.

Um..... yeah..... obviously.

Still you havent told me WHY Tate or post 94 QR deserve to be bashed.

And again, if you haven't seen this by the majority of the underground metal community in the past 10-11 years, then you've been living under a rock. Hellllloooooooo????? They changed their sound, I stated this. It was Tate who angered many longtime fans by stating "we were never a metal band" when they obviously were.

I'll leave your comments about "intelligence" because an american post em

You have an "intelligent" grasp of the English language.

 

[Dark One]

And (as i will say once again), DO NOT ask for "intelligent discussion" since you all make bash O:M II by GUESSING and IMAGINATION.

I never bashed Operation Mindcrime part II once. Saying something will most likely suck and saying something sucks are two different things. I have every intention of giving O:M II it's fair share of listens and THEN judging. I CLEARLY stated this.

 

[IOfTheStorm]

Let's see, between 1994 and 1997 was 3 years. Between 1997 and 2005 was 8 years. Seems like the majority of Queensryche years post 1994 did not involve Degarmo.

Lets say it (again). The one responsible for their MAJOR change was Degarmo. Even after his departure Tate was NOT the main composer. Thats just a fact, look at the credits of the songs. Also Degarmo was deeply involved in "Tribe", he wrote songs for it, appeared in band photos, he was going to be in the tour too, but he had other obligations etc.. so what you have left, "Q2K" only (and as i said Tate was not the main composer of it).

And again, if you haven't seen this by the majority of the underground metal community in the past 10-11 years, then you've been living under a rock. Hellllloooooooo????? They changed their sound, I stated this. It was Tate who angered many longtime fans by stating "we were never a metal band" when they obviously were.

Tate didnt say "we were never a metal band" he said "i was never a metal fan" (and he was saying that since QR beginning). Even if he was saying that, is it a reason to bash him? For God's shake, the guy's deeds are enough to redeem him for almost every possible crap imaginable (well.. almost). And dont tell me again about the "change of sound", they were ALWAYS chaning their sound, but now the kvlt metol communiteh did not like it, and as always when the metal community doesnt like something, its bashed.

 

[Dark One]

Keep living in your fantasy world where QR post 1994 is not worthy of being "bashed". Stay there for all I care. As far as I can tell, your justification for not wanting to bash the group as a whole stems from the fact that you think post 1994 QR is pretty good. You are in the minority on that one and that's a FACT.

As far as Tate's responsibility for what has gone on with the band in the last 10 years, you can debate it all you want, but he's definitely been the voice of the band in the majority of interviews, and you cannot deny that he's expressed his vision of QR in ways that have not come without angering older longtime fans of the band who had been waiting and hoping for a long, long time for releases worthy of placing alongside their earlier works.

EDIT - And for someone that cares so little about who gets bashed or whatever, you're sure posting plenty of items portraying quite the contrary.

 

[IOfTheStorm]

Im saying facts. You are analyzing your imagination
I have stated various reasons why QR doesnt deserve to be bashed, and none of them was "because i like them". Open your eyes and read em if you can. In the end, you are saying that every band who changes its style and dissapoints the majority of its "fans" should be bashed. Then you are talking about the interviews and not the music.. HELLO the music MATTERS. And Tate was one of the last responsibles for it. If YOU are dissapointed, then its not the band's fault that they didnt play what YOU WANT. The majority of people doesnt like the post 1994 QR, thats true, but another fact is that most of these people dont bash QR for what they have become, they just say "i dont like it".
And think again about the last thing you said, i said that i wont care if some people bash a band, meaning that this wont make my opinion.

 

[Dark One]

In the end, you are saying that every band who changes its style and dissapoints the majority of its "fans" should be bashed.

And I'M the one who's clueless????

 

[IOfTheStorm]

Change "saying" with "implying" and you are there (clueless that is)

 

[Dark One]

Change "saying" with "implying" and you are there (clueless that is)

You're the expert.

 

[IOfTheStorm]

 

[lurch70]

 

[Dark One]

Heh, if that catfight cover was the cover of a Negura Bunget cd, I wonder if their sales would increase.

 

[BenMech]

/me raises hands about enjoying PL, HitNF and Tribe.

It's not so much that GEOFF Tate dominates the choices of QR, but it is his second wife Susan, who bears an uncanny characteristic with Yoko Ono. Geoff's along for the pootang. Susan hated Chris and the other bandmembers. Chris told her she's not a real QR member. Geoff was forced, against his will, to take sides. Chris no longer has anything to do with QR.

OMC one was ALL Geoff's vision. The other 4 bandmembers hated the whole thing until midway through the BUILDING EMPIRES tour.

The tale of Queensryche is a Classic Rock tragedy. Sad endings, even with quality performances.

 

[Dark One]

Personally, I really enjoyed PL, just nothing that came after it (hence post 1994)