Alexi Laiho to tour with Hypocrisy

[Krow]

Why does someone stop listening to COB in favour of more true death metal? Answer is, they started listening to COB when they were 13, because it was the most brutal thing they'd heard and fairly easy to get into. Then they figured there's more bruuutal stuff out there. They need that to feel strong on some primitive state of mind.

Children of Bodom is a nice gateway to metal, I'll give you that... but after about 4 years of listening to other types of metal... they've just lost most of their charm with me. It has nothing do with whatever "need to feel strong" you're talking about. I still like Follow the Reaper though.

anyway... most people in the Hypocrisy forum are just a bit disillusioned by the whole thing. It's just weird, okay? Do you guys want James Hetfield to play guitar for CoB? (and that's nothing against CoB or hetfield, or comparing him to Alexi...not the point I'm trying to make)

 

[Krow]

Hypocrisy has a certain darkness in their music though... especially their first 5 albums, and The Fourth Dimension in particular.
I admit some of their later stuff lost this... but Virus and AToED have slowly started to restore it.

 

[Brutal Hate]

Why does someone stop listening to COB in favour of more true death metal? Answer is, they started listening to COB when they were 13, because it was the most brutal thing they'd heard and fairly easy to get into. Then they figured there's more bruuutal stuff out there. They need that to feel strong on some primitive state of mind.

Don't be stupid Joonas.

You live in Finland, so you'll have to know that most of CoB fans here are 12-17 year old kids, who just found out metal. Of course there is fans who are older like you, but majority are just kids. CoB is easy band for accessing other metal. There is no such thing as "feeling strong". Kids like easy music, but when they grow, they start to search something challenging and complex.

I still like Bodom's 3 first albums, but I have grown out of them long ago.

 

[(__Joonas__)]

All this Hypocrisy is more true metal than COB... I don't get it. They're a bit over melodic to my taste as a COB fan. One minute they're simply boring, next they have too much pointless melody in it that makes it unchallenging to listen to, if I have to be a critic. Hypocrisy have this deep feeling much of the time. COB are more iyf with top melodies (name me one Bodom song without a hero riff of some sort.) Seems kinda odd to compare 2 bands who on the other hand are similar but are really so different from the foundation. It's like wizard metal and karate metal, wtf.

 

[Brutal Hate]

name me one Bodom song without a hero riff of some sort.

Hero riff? IMO Bodom's best side is the melodies, not the riffs. I think Bodom riffs aren't so special.

 

[(__Joonas__)]

Don't be stupid Joonas.

You live in Finland, so you'll have to know that most of CoB fans here are 12-17 year old kids, who just found out metal. Of course there is fans who are older like you, but majority are just kids. CoB is easy band for accessing other metal. There is no such thing as "feeling strong". Kids like easy music, but when they grow, they start to search something challenging and complex.

I still like Bodom's 3 first albums, but I have grown out of them long ago.

I don't think COB is just "easy to get into." 95% of people in Finland think Bodom is just noise and nothing to do with music. It would be easier to listen to that pop or rap stuff. There's something else that draws people to listen to COB and metal. Maybe a person with negative emotions in the sub-consciousness, when engulfed in alcohol, opens up to the great music, otherwise people are blind to it. What I'm saying is most of the kids who grow out of COB dress in black etc which tells about a compromised mind-set. I did when I was 13-15 and got into them, I grew out of that but never grew out of the music. Wtf is wrong with me?

Hero riff? IMO Bodom's best side is the melodies, not the riffs. I think Bodom riffs aren't so special.

I meant the melodies.

 

[Krow]

As far as metal is concerned... yea... Bodom is fairly easy to get into.
Not that they sound similar, because they dont, but bands like them, Six Feet Under, and Skinless seem to be pretty popular gateway to extreme metal bands.

 

[Brutal Hate]

I don't think COB is just "easy to get into." 95% of people in Finland think Bodom is just noise and nothing to do with music. It would be easier to listen to that pop or rap stuff. There's something else that draws people to listen to COB and metal. Maybe a person with negative emotions in the sub-consciousness, when engulfed in alcohol, opens up to the great music, otherwise people are blind to it. What I'm saying is most of the kids who grow out of COB dress in black etc which tells about a compromised mind-set. I did when I was 13-15 and got into them, I grew out of that but never grew out of the music. Wtf is wrong with me?

They are really "easy to get into". I mean if we talk about kids, who are starting to listen metal. They don't start with Rotten Sound. It's usually, Metallica, Bodom, Iron Maiden and shit like that.

And colours of your clothes doesn't mean a shit.

I don't know what is wrong with you. Maybe you don't listen to any other bands or genre?

 

[Crzy_Aus]

I'm sorry, are they not "brutal" or "underground" enough for you?

Maybe a bit too "melodic" to be just called "death"?

I mean, for death, I usually think more like Bloodbath, Vader and such. Hypocrisy is more melodeath, like Arch Enemy or Amon Amarth.

 

[children of COB]

As far as metal is concerned... yea... Bodom is fairly easy to get into.
Not that they sound similar, because they dont, but bands like them, Six Feet Under, and Skinless seem to be pretty popular gateway to extreme metal bands.

I think what makes Six Feet Under accesible is their TNT cover. Sounds stupid, but kids hear TNT but more brutal, and start listening to other songs. At first they may be "WTF this is weird" but as SFU's music isn't that complex/abrassive as e.g. Nile it's easy for them to go with them. I mean, Chris Barnes vocals alone aren't something you'd feel insantly attracted to.

 

[Krow]

Maybe a bit too "melodic" to be just called "death"?

I mean, for death, I usually think more like Bloodbath, Vader and such. Hypocrisy is more melodeath, like Arch Enemy or Amon Amarth.

Hypocrisy do play melodic death metal... and I'm going to nitpick and say when most people say melodeath, they're referring to the Gothenburg sound of In Flames, Dark Tranquility, or Arch Enemy, not the sound Carcass created with Heartwork. The former is more akin to what Hypocrisy plays.

Also, SFU is groovy and heavy... but simplistic and new listeners can understand what Barnes is saying. That is an attraction to someone open to that kind of thing, imo.

 

[Enemy242]

COB and Gothenburg is wayyy easier to get into than death metal, my brother knew that when he got me into metal when i was like 11. COB and gothenburg (like pop music) are filled with hooks and catchy melodies and even though the vocals are harsh they usually have a sort of appealing vocal line and aren;t just gurgles. Metallica is universally accepted but anyone getting into metal can dig cob, my friend is the least metal person ever and loves rap yet he loves new children of bodom.

 

[Altitudes]

The new hypocrisy album is great.

 

[(__Joonas__)]

They are really "easy to get into". I mean if we talk about kids, who are starting to listen metal. They don't start with Rotten Sound. It's usually, Metallica, Bodom, Iron Maiden and shit like that.

And colours of your clothes doesn't mean a shit.

I don't know what is wrong with you. Maybe you don't listen to any other bands or genre?

I do listen to other genres and other metal bands, who said I didn't? It's just I haven't come across another artist who's composed as much great stuff. COB is boss, then come the rest, it's just how it is. I can't see what's so strange about that.

 

[XxSNAPxX]

Okay so total shot in the dark, my cousin who lives in finland bought a taste of extreme divinity today. He emailed it to me, and OH MY GOD, this shit is epic, I've never been a big hypocrisy fan but....holy fuckmyballsacks dude.....For alexi to take influence from this would be amazing, i hope he walks away from it having learned something.

 

[The Emptier]

yeah i downloaded it last night, good shit indeed. i like the arrival a lot as well

and yeah cob and hypocrisy go way back together

 

[(__Joonas__)]

Yeah the two first songs (Valley of the Damned and Hang Him High) are really good. The rest seemed like good quality but avid of spectacular ideas. There was some really interesting things with the drums being used with bass and synths tho. I'm having a 2nd spin now.

 

[Alteredmindeath]

This is fucking weird, Alexi in Hypocrisy. Strange stuff.

 

[(__Joonas__)]

They should do a live DVD if Alexi performs well. One can always hope. I just see that would be a good move for Hypocrisy now. I think they last released a live DVD (or VHS) in 1999. Also now that Alexi will be with them, "all" the COB fans would buy it too, and it's melodic death after all, they'd get more fans for sure.

 

[SteveMCsteve]

That's actually a great business idea.
It'll generate more fans for hypocrisy.