American Football = Rugby with Padding, Helmets, and Time Outs for the Obese

[cthulufhtagn]

damn right! we'll manipulate and exploit other nations our OWN way, thankyouverymuch.

 

[General Zod]

3. Nad

Rules

4. global warming

Myth

5. baseball

Baseball >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soccer

6. bon jovi

"7800 Fahrenheit" rules

7. christian religious fundamentalism

Rome had it right, throw the Christians to the lions. Throwing Christians to lions... rules

8. deep fried turkeys

OK. I hate fried food... but fried turkey rules

12. not appreciating soccer

No hands = no sport = no interest

Zod

 

[KILL TULLY]

'Manipulate and exploit', give me a break. People, ESPECIALLY Americans, make it fucking seem like we rape every single nation in the asshole. Like I said, the only reason this type of thought is so rampant is because the stuff we do actually EFFECTS the world, so if we mess up its VERY CLEAR, but all the good things we do (esepcially with our military and SOCOM) no one knows about. Also it is because of the spineless liberal trend that seems to be so popular now adays.

Liberals don't do ANYTHING, they just stop other people from doing things, and complain. That is why they are viewed as saints. They don't do anything.

 

[cthulufhtagn]

'Manipulate and exploit', give me a break. People, ESPECIALLY Americans, make it fucking seem like we rape every single nation in the asshole. Like I said, the only reason this type of thought is so rampant is because the stuff we do actually EFFECTS the world, so if we mess up its VERY CLEAR, but all the good things we do (esepcially with our military and SOCOM) no one knows about. Also it is because of the spineless liberal trend that seems to be so popular now adays.

Liberals don't do ANYTHING, they just stop other people from doing things, and complain. That is why they are viewed as saints. They don't do anything.

i don't deny that the US does anything good at all, i just think all the fucked up shit it does vastly outweighs the good.

and you're right, liberals don't do anything at all. public education, women's suffrage, civil rights, the GI bill, labor laws, environmental laws, food safety laws, peace corps, public universities, PBS/NPR, family and medical leave act, americans with disabilities act...man this country would be so much better off without 'em. you're out of your element.

edit: i point out the flaws of the US because i'm from the US and i'm familiar with US history and current policy. the US has a history of dictating the terms of its relationships with other nations, frequently for the worse. many other countries are also to blame for the state the world is in right now, but the fact is the US has the lion's share.

it's amazing how familiar people are with the good things the US has done, especially considering how they get no press from the mainstream media :Smug:

 

[KILL TULLY]

and you're right, liberals don't do anything at all. public education, women's suffrage, civil rights, the GI bill, labor laws, environmental laws, food safety laws, peace corps, public universities, PBS/NPR, family and medical leave act, americans with disabilities act...man this country would be so much better off without 'em. you're out of your element.

This is what I'm talking about. The train of though that 'All good stuff = Liberals. All bad stuff = non-Liberals'. You seriously think non-Liberals didn't have anything to do with, or did not support the things you mentioned?

 

[cthulufhtagn]

This is what I'm talking about. The train of though that 'All good stuff = Liberals. All bad stuff = non-Liberals'. You seriously think non-Liberals didn't have anything to do with, or did not support the things you mentioned?

uh, correct me if i'm wrong but didn't you say

Liberals don't do ANYTHING, they just stop other people from doing things, and complain. That is why they are viewed as saints. They don't do anything.

,

you fucking hypocrite

 

[KILL TULLY]

uh, correct me if i'm wrong but didn't you say
,

you fucking hypocrite

I have no idea what I said that is hypocritical, so please tell me? Is it that I said they don't do 'ANYTHING' when in fact they do do certain things? I guess you are right, because it was an obvious exageration. I mostly base my judgements on the trendy type of liberalism that is rampant today as well, the 'protest liberal' type of camp you often see on college campus'/states like mine (MASS).

 

[cthulufhtagn]

let's see, it was right about where you claimed, in very clear language, that liberals "don't do ANYTHING", and then claimed to be angered by the exact kind of rhetoric you yourself used.

your original statement--a conservative blaming liberals for not doing anything good--was simply wrong. it became hypocritical when you blamed liberals for claiming that conservatives don't do anything good.


and fwiw, fuck democrats/trendy liberals.

 

[KILL TULLY]

let's see, it was right about where you claimed, in very clear language, that liberals "don't do ANYTHING", and then claimed to be angered by the exact kind of rhetoric you yourself used.

So I'm supposed to go "OH YOU YOU JUST PROVED MY THOUGHT COMPLETELY WRONG WITH ONE PARAGRAPH, sorry mate" ?

Ridiculous. I exagerated of course, your response is valid as well.

 

[cthulufhtagn]

i'm not expecting an apology, the point is you're not only wrong but you use YOUR OWN argument as an example of what you DISLIKE about liberals. i think i've made my point. the point is made.


point.

 

[Krilons Resa]

this thread is fucking ridiculous.

 

[KILL TULLY]

One example of somthing that upsets me on a regular basis:

People around here are always saying that 'Iraqi's do not want us in their country, why would they be fighting us if they did!'.

A simple example to show that this is FAR from the case would be the Nazi's. We liberated holland and france in WWII for example, and many people greeted us with open arms. Of COURSE there are loyalists that are always going to be fighting, in the case of WWII Nazi's, and in this case Insurgents who are still loyal to the fallen government. These people are going to continue fighting untill their last breath, maybe even moreso in the modern case seeing as it is so firmly based on religious beliefs.

So, obviously the people I'm basing my rant on in this thread are the idiotic trendy types who really have no idea what they are talking about, and do in fact 'not do ANYTHING'.

i'm not expecting an apology, the point is you're not only wrong but you use YOUR OWN argument as an example of what you DISLIKE about liberals. i think i've made my point. the point is made.


point.

I use my own argument as an example of what I dislike about liberals? Uhhhh, well yea I would imagine that would be the case...

 

[cthulufhtagn]

"I use my own argument as an example of what I dislike about liberals? Uhhhh, well yea I would imagine that would be the case..."
i rephrased that, realizing it wasn't what i was trying to say. see edit. at this point we're arguing semantics.

I exagerated of course, your response is valid as well.

fair enough, i tend to get carried away with these type of discussions and forget that i really don't see eye to eye with anyone when it comes to politics. no personal offense meant.

 

[En Vind Av Sorg]

Liberals=Conservatives=Morons

Can we let this thing die now?

 

[cthulufhtagn]

One example of somthing that upsets me on a regular basis:

People around here are always saying that 'Iraqi's do not want us in their country, why would they be fighting us if they did!'.

A simple example to show that this is FAR from the case would be the Nazi's. We liberated holland and france in WWII for example, and many people greeted us with open arms. Of COURSE there are loyalists that are always going to be fighting, in the case of WWII Nazi's, and in this case Insurgents who are still loyal to the fallen government. These people are going to continue fighting untill their last breath, maybe even moreso in the modern case seeing as it is so firmly based on religious beliefs.

So, obviously the people I'm basing my rant on in this thread are the idiotic trendy types who really have no idea what they are talking about, and do in fact 'not do ANYTHING'.

i wouldn't say "iraqis don't want us in their country," because yes of course there are many many people there who were happy to see saddam go. there are also people there benefitting from our presence (some at the expense of others), but a great many people have not been so well off the last couple years. the fact is that since our occupation the country has become indisputably less livable and more unstable. the number of iraqis still without water and electricity, watching their friends and family getting gunned down in the street, can attest to that.

i'll be as happy as anyone else to see the insurgency crumble, but as i see it, between the US occupiers and the insurgents, the iraqi people are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

 

[KILL TULLY]

i wouldn't say "iraqis don't want us in their country," because yes of course there are many many people there who were happy to see saddam go. but the fact is that since our occupation the country has become indisputably less livable and more unstable. the number of iraqis still without water and electricity, watching their friends and family getting gunned down in the street, can attest to that.

i'll be as happy as anyone else to see the insurgency crumble, but as i see it, between the US occupiers and the insurgents, the iraqi people are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

The insurgents where not helping to re-build Iraq. As far as wars go, if history is anything to go by, this has been extremely minimal on all acounts as far as damage to the occupied area. It is not a complete shit-storm as some like to think. Of course it isn't pretty, it is war after all.

 

[cthulufhtagn]

The insurgents where not helping to re-build Iraq. As far as wars go, if history is anything to go by, this has been extremely minimal on all acounts as far as damage to the occupied area. It is not a complete shit-storm as some like to think. Of course it isn't pretty, it is war after all.

perhaps not, but both sides are fighting to impose their ideology--fundamentalist islam vs. free-market capitalism. iraq wouldn't need rebuilding if we hadn't illegally invaded it in the first place.

and it may have been less damaging than the battle of the somme, but 40,000 civilians dead is hardly to be sneezed at.

 

[KILL TULLY]

perhaps not, but both sides are fighting to impose their ideology--fundamentalist islam vs. free-market capitalism. iraq wouldn't need rebuilding if we hadn't illegally invaded it in the first place.

If we are trying to influence the government into a free-market capitalist mindset, thats one thing. I'm not sure I aggree completely, but the point is that we are simply giving the people of Iraq the tools to build up their own government through democratic elections. Our army's Green Berets have been training police forces and Iraqi soldiers to take the place of the American armed services once we back out, as well as teaching in young childrens schools to educated the next generation of Iraqi's. We are giving the Iraqi people the tools they need to create a free country with their own set of rules. Are we perhaps guiding them along the way to follow a western example? Perhaps, but, especially as a liberal, you have to realize that somtimes drastic change is neccasary in order to keep up with the world.

 

[Conspicuously Absent]

The part I hate is how bush spouts off about god this and god that and is basically loading the propaganda chaingun for the islamic extremists and handing it over to them. They're whipping other islamics into thinking we're doing some sort of crusade. I worried this will turn into an outright jihad of some sort and the world will devolve into WW3. Capitalism VS Islam

 

[KILL TULLY]

The part I hate is how bush spouts off about god this and god that and is basically loading the propaganda chaingun for the islamic extremists and handing it over to them. They're whipping other islamics into thinking we're doing some sort of crusade. I worried this will turn into an outright jihad of some sort and the world will devolve into WW3. Capitalism VS Islam

No matter what Bush says, that will be the case. Bush is just the whipping boy, which should be the case as he is the president. This doesn't change the fact that the extremists will just outright lie in order to instill a sense of Jihad into the younger extremist generation. The people in Iraq that are not easily brainwashed, and are living alongside US troops in Bagdhad for example, will not be so easily swayed. They see troops shopping in the same quick-stop stores as them, buying soda and food from the same shops, etc. and realize they are not fire-breathing monsters as extremists try to propagate. It is a thin line, but it all comes down to the way our general presence in the every-day-life of the Iraqi people is interpreted.