American Football = Rugby with Padding, Helmets, and Time Outs for the Obese

[En Vind Av Sorg]

What do you all think enlistment is like? Go to a recruiter and sign a fucking paper and bada-bing your in the military? Sheesh.

I can think of half a dozen people who have done this at my high school. One guy was 200 pounds overweight, one of them WAS adhd. It is rediculously easy to get into the military, its getting OUT that is hard. They also recently lowered the requirements for enlistment, and have been toning down boot camp more and more every year.

 

[Dark One]

Dude I have no points to make. I honestly have given up discussing any political matters with a bunch of narrowminded sissy's as the ones that congregate on this pink forum. If you guy's were men of high moral fiber, I'd have no problem discussing matters of such magnitude with thee. But low and behold you're a sissy, emo, cocksucker who wishes his last name was Kennedy. Get the fuck out of my America you queen!!!!

And herein lies the problem of forcing yourself to get over the frustration and retain a sense of moderation at any cost when trying to discuss politics. If you don't, people tune you right out. That's the problem with the Ann Coulters, Sean Hannitys, Nancy Pelosis and John Murthas of the world. It's wholly unproductive to just spout out ideology.

 

[Dark One]

to get back to where this tangent started, they use misinformation and lies to get young people to join their cause. sound familiar?

Hell yes it sounds familiar. See any George Soros and Barbara Streisand funded protests. Or listen to Air America.

 

[KILL TULLY]

I can think of half a dozen people who have done this at my high school. One guy was 200 pounds overweight, one of them WAS adhd. It is rediculously easy to get into the military, its getting OUT that is hard. They also recently lowered the requirements for enlistment, and have been toning down boot camp more and more every year.

Uhhhh, I can personly guarentee you that they did not do that, because that isn't how it works at all. It is 100% imposible to walk into a recruiter and a join the military, sorry.


You can get waivers for certain things, many things in fact. I never said it was immposible to join, I said it is hard.

Also, they havn't toned down Boot Camp ever, they have toned down Basic Training, though not NEARLY as much as many people believe.

 

[cthulufhtagn]

Yes they trick recruits into going through with the process, meaning trick them into 'Oh no, its ok to lie about this or that or the other during MEPS, they won't find out.' Low-and-behold, a few months latter, they are kicked out of the military due to fraudulent-enlistment for lieing about some speeding tickets, for example.

http://fox5atlanta.com/iteam/gilies.html
http://www.channelcincinnati.com/news/4508233/detail.html
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/deceptioninrecruiting.htm#_ednref4

food for thought

 

[Mormagil]

haha, air america is terrible. it's like they dig up an old rush limbaugh transcript and change "democrats" to "republicans"

 

[KILL TULLY]

http://fox5atlanta.com/iteam/gilies.html
http://www.channelcincinnati.com/news/4508233/detail.html
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/deceptioninrecruiting.htm#_ednref4

food for thought

That is all beside the point. All I am saying is that GETTING INTO the military in a completely honest fashion, is not nearly as easy as most people believe.

 

[cthulufhtagn]

Hell yes it sounds familiar. See any George Soros and Barbara Streisand funded protests. Or listen to Air America.

do me a favor and don't lump me in with that bunch. people always do whatever they can to get others to join their cause. that said, there is a line between propaganda and outright lies. air america may be liberal propaganda, and there's no question that it is, but are they lying?

 

[cthulufhtagn]

That is all beside the point. All I am saying is that GETTING INTO the military in a completely honest fashion, is not nearly as easy as most people believe.

no, it IS the point. your experience is merely tangental to the point. the discussion here is about military recruiters lying to potential recruits, and your personal experience, while relevant to the topic at hand, seems atypical.

 

[Dark One]

I can think of half a dozen people who have done this at my high school. One guy was 200 pounds overweight, one of them WAS adhd. It is rediculously easy to get into the military, its getting OUT that is hard. They also recently lowered the requirements for enlistment, and have been toning down boot camp more and more every year.

When I signed up about 10 years ago, the requirements were indeed rigorous. You had to have a perfect bill of health to go along with a complex background check. You also had to take a pretty hard written test that a friend of mine failed. He barely passed the next time he took it, but was ultimately granted the lowest rank possible upon entry. They wanted to bring me in 3 ranks above and place me in operations - I turned them down and they hounded me for months stating that I was the type of candidate they were looking for that doesn't come along every day. Anyhow, I know first hand that it involves much more than a peace of paper and a salute to get in.

 

[Reign in Acai]

Everyone I know that has joined the military has come out with more integrity than they had going in. - FACT

 

[KILL TULLY]

no, it IS the point. your experience is beside the point. the discussion here is about military recruiters lying to potential recruits, and your personal experience, while relevant to the topic at hand, seems atypical.

No, I never denied that recruiters lied to potential recruits. That was never a discussion, that was a fact. The discussion has to do with how difficult it is to get into the Armed Services.


One simple example: 3 minor traffic offenses (ie: speeding, turning where you shouldn't, etc) = Disqualified. Not a perminent disqualifier, meaning you can go through the process of getting a waiver, thus making it difficult to join, not easy.

 

[cthulufhtagn]

and based on anecdotal evidence, it seems not as hard as you make it out to be

 

[KILL TULLY]

and based on anecdotal evidence, it seems not as hard as you make it out to be

What evidence? Those articles just showed various people who made it into the military, but where lied to by their recruiters about certain things.

 

[Dark One]

do me a favor and don't lump me in with that bunch.

Certainly wasn't my intention - sorry if that's how it came across.

people always do whatever they can to get others to join their cause. that said, there is a line between propaganda and outright lies. air america may be liberal propaganda, and there's no question that it is

Cool, being able to make such an acknowledgement will always enable me to listen to your thoughts (you in general) with a wide open mind.

but are they lying?

LOL - mystery post!!

 

[cthulufhtagn]

@tully: i'm not basing my entire argument on those articles, they were simply examples of recruiters lying. but why would they be so devious and persistent about getting recruits if they didn't need everyone they could get?

@dark one: cool, the respect is mutual

 

[KILL TULLY]

why would they be so devious and persistent about getting recruits if they didn't need everyone they could get?

Simple. Recruiters need to meet a quota Once a recruit passes MEPS, they get another tick on their quota, even if said recruit is discharged for fraudulent enlistment later on down the line. No sweat off the recruiters back. Thats the reason.

To reiterate, recruiters are not the ones who get you into the military.

 

[cthulufhtagn]

Simple. Recruiters need to meet a quota Once a recruit passes MEPS, they get another tick on their quota, even if said recruit is discharged for fraudulent enlistment later on down the line. No sweat off the recruiters back. Thats the reason.

To reiterate, recruiters are not the ones who get you into the military.

i understand recruiters have a simple job and a sales pitch, and they don't actually get you the gig. but i still just can't believe it's that difficult to get into the military. perhaps we could both benefit from looking into this further.

 

[JayKeeley]

i agree that america, for its entire history, has had something of an attitude problem in regards to the rest of the world. i would just say, this discussion--especially considering that soccer is a sport that inspires so much nationalism--fosters more partisanship than goodwill.

Possibly. Having said that, I watch the news reports and all the fans from multiple nations seem to be singing and having fun, drinking good German beer.

out of all the things america can and should be taken to task for, lack of soccer appreciation doesn't even register on the scale

Since absolutely nothing else seems to be working, I'll be prepared to go with ANYTHING to help bridge the divide...even if it's from mile to a kilometer.

 

[KILL TULLY]

i understand recruiters have a simple job and a sales pitch, and they don't actually get you the gig. but i still just can't believe it's that difficult to get into the military. perhaps we could both benefit from looking into this further.

I've 'looked into it further' for the past few months plus I am going through the process. Perhaps you could benefit further by doing more then 15 minutes of research. It is a fact that the process of joining the Service is far-and-away from what the vast majority of civilians think.

Even in this post there are examples of people who 'have friends that joined' and seem to know everything, yet say things like 'that is exactly what they did' refering to going to a recruiter, signing a paper, and joining up, which is a complete immposibility.

Here iss a page of just medical disqualifiers:
http://www.military.com/Recruiting/Content/0,13898,rec_step07_DQ_medical,,00.html

You can find much more info on there as well.