Another Noob Thread .. Guitar Tone ....

[guitarguru777]

OK i just got a new set of headphones and the clarity on them is amazing, I cant belive the diference ... anyway ...

I happened to be listening to the new Nevermore today, i always loved the guitar tone, but after hearing it with these new phone OMFG !!!! I need that sound....

Now im not asking for settings or anything, but i would like to know how Andy gets it so crunchy without all that fizz. Its so damned cruncy in the mids its SCARY !!!!! No matter what i try i cant get it. I been sitting here for hours on end trying to get that crunch in the mids and i cant. I even spent 2 hours at Guitar Center today on a Diezel, Recto and a Marshall with differnet pedals and guitars trying to get it, and for some reason i cant get the amp to crunch without all the fizz.

Any help would be HUGELY appreciated !!!!

Da Fukn Guru

 

[Genius Gone Insane]

Fukn Guru, don't forget two important factors: 1, you're not jeff loomis, and 2, there are two guitars on each side there so you're not going to get that exact tone w/ one amp. all that being said, i agree with pretty much everything you just wrote.

 

[guitarguru777]

Ok i guess to should rephrase ....lol

Im not looking for jeffs tone specifically, just really how to get that high mid crunch ... for some odd reason i cant fgure out how to make the amp crunch like that in the frequency it crunces on that CD. Its like in the PERFECT Spot .... Thats whta i love about andy... ive never heard a BAD guitar tone from him

Da Fukn Guru

 

[Razorjack]

EMG 707's make a huge impact on the sound, that might be it (I don't know what else you have tried).

 

[the phish]

i believe it mostly to be in Jeff's pick attack. Though im sure the awsome power of an an Andy Sneap EQ session helps a bit...

 

[kaomao]

i believe it mostly to be in Jeff's pick attack. Though im sure the awsome power of an an Andy Sneap EQ session helps a bit...

look at this pic, Jeff uses a really thick pick

 

[Fragle]

nah, i've got one right in front of me, it's not that thick. i guess it's around 1.14 - 1.44mm
pretty pointy, though. has a lot of attack

 

[guitarguru777]

Yea i use 1.14mm Picks with 707s and a 60 on the B, not cause JEFF does but because i like the feel of the 60. Its nice and tight good for quick rythms. I found the answer today while at guitar center. I said screw it im gonna sit here till i fond that sound....

I grabbed a TS-9 Reissue, My 7 String, and pluggend into Triple Recto with the new Marshall 100th cabs with the greenbacks .... OMG ... TALK ABOUT BALLS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got that nice Mid crunchwith these settings.

Bass - 7
Mid - 5
High - 6
Gain - 6.5

I set the TS-9

Level - 6
Tone - 6
Gain - 2

I really think the TS9 and the Marshall cab made all the differnce. Mabe its the greenbacks, i dunno but i priced it all out and im looking about about $3200 for everything... Time to start saving some DOUGH !!!!!

Da Fukn Guru

 

[JeffTD]

Ebay it ALL! You can get a Triple Recto (or even better, a Dualie) for 1300 or so. I've seen old 2 channel Dualie's go for 1200 before. The cabinet will only run you like 500 or so on eBay, or go for an Avatar cabinet.

 

[guitarguru777]

I really think im going to go with a maeshall cab with greenbacks. The difference was amazing, but i will definitely Ebay everything

Da Fukn Guru

 

[Lord Lurion]

I've alwais thought that only andy's amazing eq and comp settings, the 4 guitar tracks on both rectos and kranks and the ultra precise and tight playing of Loomis combined produced that very sound. Just my opinion anyways...

 

[guitarguru777]

Like i said i wasnt looking for that exact sound. Im just looking for that type of crunch in the mids without all the fizz, and ive finally found it !!!!!

Da Fukn Guru