anyone feel like discussing world war three?

Originally posted by bane
killing sucks no matter what side but if some one wants to blow their nuts off with a bomb strapped to themselves be my guest,just don't take out innocent folks along the way.at this rate we'll all be kissing our arses goodbye soon coz some crazy shithead is bound to develope an itch in his finger and push the "big" button.mankind is kinda fucked me thinks.

Yeah, but we always have been fucked... There's always been some reason it is highly implausable man would have survived, and we've done pretty well so far...

I'm not just talking recently with the cold war, etc., but ice ages, natural disasters - we've survived a few. But I agree it's a matter of time before we're wiped out, and it would smack of irony that it was because of our own actions (which seems likely, if not through war through what we've done to the planet).

And of course, we're overdue many natural disasters (asteroid impact, big volcanic eruption, tsunami etc.) and man is the most developed species, so if anything does happen we'll be the first to go :)

Studying geology really makes you realise your place in the scale of things ;)
 
Originally posted by pagan2002


...all religion is shit.....


Since stating opion, add 'I think' or 'I feel' please..... :Smug:

Anyway, I feel this whole religion-shit is all about being tightassed. From both sides, that is....
 
The Israeli officials are hypocrits. They say there won't be any talks concerning a free Palestinian state unless terror stops. But they know very well - actually, I guess it is rather obvious for everyone - that terrorist attacks will not stop.

Israel does nothing to eradicate the underlying causes of the conflict, only exacerbate the it by planting more and more hatred among the Palestinians. And hatred breeds terrorist acts. If Israel carries on with their policy, it will sooner or later lead to a situation in which every single Palestinian will be a potential terrorist. What then? Will they slaughter them all?

All this talk about 'destroying terrorist infrastructure' is pathetic. Terrorism is not about infrastructure, it's in human minds, and that's where they should fight it.

The Israeli are indignant at the news of Palestinian children dressed like terrorists. Too bad they fail to notice who is to blame for that.

In general, Israeli policy is extremely short-sighted (and still, it has proven completely uneffective even in the short run) and gives no prospects for the future.

And, Bush and his administration suck as well.

Amen.
 
not all, you know. that kind of newspapers exist on every country...not all newspapers are under the control of the government. but anyway, i dont live in israel so i couldnt possibly know everything...i just keep up from the internet and turkish newspapers.
 
Four Palestinians are shot and killed by Israeli soldiers in Jenin. The strict curfew that has been imposed on the city for the last three days was lifted for a few hours today. As the civilian population left their houses to get supplies, Israeli soldiers opened fire and shot indiscriminately. A six year old girl, Sajedah Famahwi, 6 year old Ahmad Ghazawi, 12 year old Jamil Ghazawi and Hilal Shetta (50) were killed. In addition to the four, tens of Palestinians are injured.

This morning four Palestinians were killed in the Gaza strip. Among these was a 10 year old boy, Abd Al-Samed Shamlakh, who was shot in the head when Israeli soldiers opened fire in the Al-Sheikh Al-Ajleen area in Gaza.

Yesterday a pregnant woman was killed in Qalqilia. A 26 year old mother of three and pregnant in the fifth month was killed when Israeli soldiers entered her neighborhood in Jenin and opened fire. The woman was in her house and was hit by a bullet that penetrated her chest.

In another incident yesterday a 13 year old boy was killed in Jenin. Faris Hussam As-Sa’adi was in his home when Israeli forces demolished the neighbor house. The impact of the explosion was so strong that Faris’s house collapsed on top of him. His parents and four other family members were injured in the incident

In the last 24 hours 10 Palestinians, including 5 children have been killed by Israeli forces currently invading and occupying Palestinian areas. At the moment Jenin, Nablus, Tulkarem, Beitunia (next to Ramallah), Bethlehem, Beit Sahour, Beit Jalla, Al-Khadr, Doha, Deheishe camp, Azza camp and Aida camp are all under invasion and strict curfew. The danger of a new humanitarian crisis to evolve is imminent.
 
As of today, there is little europe can do about the middle east crisis. USA has grown to become too big for this world, and there are no single country who can stop them. The hope lies in Europe uniting and join millitary forces to create a counterpart to USA, but if they do that USA (with their lunatic president) might very well take that as a serius threat and start of a whole new argument of which would dwarf the current conflict in Israel like the sun dwarf our little planet. Futhermore there is little NATO can do about the conflict because USA got the veto right at the bord there, and they are at their knees for the jewish americans, which might not be a full 1/3 of the population, but most of them are in highup and powerful position (jewish people has an extrodinary talent to succed in the western society). What we all got to hope for is a status qoe (?) until USA can elect another, a bit smarter, president.:zzz:


...though Blatter was re-elected as a FIFA president, so anything could happend.:yuk:
 
Originally posted by goneh
somebody on this forum likes king crimson! wohoo! :)

Wow! Im not the only one! Im dying to get hold of 'Deception of thrush' and I cant find it anywhere. I downloaded one track off Winmx and it was amazing.
 
Holding up the flag-wrapped body of a 2-month-old girl, tens of thousands of Palestinians marched Tuesday to bury their dead after an Israeli airstrike killed a top Hamas leader and 14 civilians, including nine children. The Islamic militant group vowed revenge.

President Bush called the Israeli missile strike "heavy-handed," joining other world leaders in sharp criticism of the attack, which leveled an apartment building and destroyed other nearby buildings in a crowded neighborhood of Gaza City overnight. Palestinian doctors said more than 100 people were wounded.

The Israeli prime minister hailed the operation, which successfully targeted Salah Shehadeh, the top commander of Hamas' military wing, Izzadine el-Qassam.

"This operation was in my view one of our biggest successes," Ariel Sharon told Cabinet ministers. "We hit perhaps the most senior Hamas figure on the operational side," Sharon said of Shehadeh, who was jailed first by Israel, and then by the Palestinians, from 1988 to 1999.

However, some Israelis criticized the attack, warning that the killing of a top Hamas commander would trigger a surge of suicide bombings in retaliation.

"The death of innocent children will only encourage more desire for revenge and motivation for more terror attacks," said member of parliament Ran Cohen, a reserve colonel in the Israeli military.

Israel linked Shehadeh to Hamas' deadliest suicide bombings, including a March attack at a Netanya hotel that killed 29, a June 2001 disco bombing in Tel Aviv that killed 21, and an August 2001 bombing at a Jerusalem pizzeria that killed 15.

Israel TV said the bomb weighed a ton, unusually large for a mission to kill a single militant. In dozens of previous operations, Israeli forces have used helicopters to fire missiles at vehicles or rooms in a building, or set off small bombs in vehicles. Palestinians said Israel dropped a large bomb in an attempted killing in the Gaza city of Khan Yunis on July 14.

In the past, one-ton bombs have been dropped on large, empty structures to destroy them. In March, when an Israeli plane dropped such a bomb on Arafat's empty headquarters building in Bethlehem, windows rattled in Jerusalem, five miles away.

In Gaza, tens of thousands crowded the streets in an emotional and angry funeral procession for Shehadeh and the other victims of the Israeli airstrike.

As wailing relatives held aloft the youngest victim wrapped in a Palestinian flag, the infant's face and black hair visible between the folds, gunmen fired rifles in the air and called for revenge.

For hours, the huge crowd of Palestinians marched through the streets toward the cemetery, waving flags of various Palestinian groups, chanting slogans against Israel and threatening suicide bombings in retaliation for the killing.

"Do you want peace with the Jews?" asked an activist with a loudspeaker. "No!" the crowd responded.

Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat called the attack a "disgusting, ugly crime, ... a massacre no human being can imagine." Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal called the strike a "horrible act" with "no ethical, moral or even military justification."

In a rare U.S. criticism of Israel, White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said "this heavy-handed action does not contribute to peace."

The office of U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said "Israel has the legal and moral responsibility to take all measures to avoid the loss of innocent life." Swedish Foreign Minister Anna Lindh called it "a crime against international law and morally unworthy of a democracy like Israel."

A single powerful bomb dropped by an Israeli F-16 warplane destroyed the three-story apartment building where witnesses said Shehadeh, 48, and his family had been living for the past three days, as well as four other buildings nearby.

The blast left a huge pile of smoking rubble in the midst of a poverty-stricken, crowded Palestinian neighborhood. Relatives and friends frantically joined rescue workers digging through the wrecked buildings for survivors.

Israel said it had intended to kill only Shehadeh. "According to the information which we had there were no civilians near him and we express sorrow on the injuries to them," Israeli Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer told Israel's Cabinet, according to a statement from his office.

Senior military sources said the military believed erroneously only one other person was in the building with Shehadeh, fellow Hamas militant Zahar Salah Abuhsein.

Besides Shehadeh and Abuhsein, Shehadeh's wife and a daughter were killed in the building, said the sources, speaking on condition of anonymity. They said the other victims were probably killed in adjacent buildings, which the planners of the operation had believed would not be seriously damaged.

Israeli officials suggested the military also underestimated the damage that would be caused to nearby buildings, where many people were hurt.

Hamas has claimed responsibility for hundreds of attacks, including suicide bombings, during nearly two years of Palestinian-Israeli violence. Israeli military sources said Shehadeh had been planning a multiple suicide bombing in a Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip.

Palestinians said Arafat was close to an agreement with Hamas to stop attacks on Israeli civilians and the airstrike would sabotage the deal.

Arafat aide Nabil Abu Rdeneh said Israel knew agreement was near, but Sharon sabotaged it because "his only solution is violence and more violence."

Even so, a senior Palestinian official speaking on condition of anonymity said that the Palestinians still stood by a proposal for a cease-fire that was presented to Israeli officials in a meeting last weekend.

According to the proposal, which was made available to the Associated Press, Israel would end its occupation of Palestinian cities, withdraw to the lines that existed before violence erupted in September 2000, release prisoners and stop killing terror suspects.

In exchange, the Palestinians would restructure their security services, resume security cooperation with Israel, collect illegal weapons and arrest militants.

In nearly 22 months of fighting 1,789 people have been killed on the Palestinian side and 578 on the Israeli side.

Before the bloody airstrike, Hamas officials said they would consider stopping suicide bomb attacks if Israel withdrew from Palestinian towns and cities and stopped its killing of suspected militants. Palestinians charge that the targeted operations amount to Israeli assassination of their leaders.