Shit talking, backstabbing and WAR TIME LIKE

Faelivrin said:
i can tell you about my history.. history of poland. we "polish pepole" were fighting for freedom and that was only one way to achieve it. if in poland were only pacifists we would have never achieved freedom!
Didn´t you got something wrong? Poland stand too often between the lines in the last centuries and its Army was very often too weak to fight either what came from the western or the eastern borders.

The Fight that really brought freedom for Poland was the fight of Lech Walesa and his party... And this fight was without violence and conventional weapons.

So fighting is good but only if the fight isn´t evolving into an useless war.

So tell me what is it good for?
 
The Scourge said:
Here is my official letter of surrender:

Mr. Cedarbreed:

It is with pain that I announce to Your Excellency the surrender of the Army of Katatonics. The operations which preceded this result will be reported in full. I will therefore only now state that, upon arriving at Amelia Courthouse on the morning of the 4th with the advance of the army, on the retreat from the lines in front of Richmond and Petersburg, and not finding the supplies ordered to be placed there, nearly twenty-four hours were lost in endeavoring to collect in the country subsistence for men and horses. This delay was fatal, and could not be retrieved. The troops, wearied by continual fighting and marching for several days and nights, obtained neither rest nor refreshment; and on moving, on the 5th, on the Richmond and Danville Railroad, I found at Jetersville the enemy's cavalry, and learned the approach of his infantry and the general advance of his army toward Burkeville. This deprived us of the use of the railroad, and rendered it impracticable to procure from Danville the supplies ordered to meet us at points of our march. Nothing could be obtained from the adjacent country. Our route to the Roanoke was therefore changed, and the march directed upon Farmville, where supplies were ordered from Lynchburg. The change of route threw the troops over the roads pursued by the artillery and wagon trains west of the railroad, which impeded our advance and embarrassed our movements. On the morning of the 6th General Longstreet's corps reached Rice's Station, on the Lynchburg railroad. It was followed by the commands of Generals R. H. Anderson, Ewell, and Gordon, with orders to close upon it as fast as the progress of the trains would permit or as they could be directed on roads farther west. General Anderson, commanding Pickett's and B. R. Johnson's divisions, became disconnected with Mahone's division, forming the rear of Longstreet. The enemy's cavalry penetrated the line of march through the interval thus left and attacked the wagon train moving toward Farmville. This caused serious delay in the march of the center and rear of the column, and enabled the enemy to mass upon their flank. After successive attacks Anderson's and Ewell's corps were captured or driven from their position. The latter general, with both of his division commanders, Kershaw and Custis Lee, and his brigadiers, were taken prisoners. Gordon, who all the morning, aided by General W. H. F. Lee's cavalry, had checked the advance of the enemy on the road from Amelia Springs and protected the trains, became exposed to his combined assaults, which he bravely resisted and twice repulsed; but the cavalry having been withdrawn to another part of the line of march, and the enemy massing heavily on his front and both flanks, renewed the attack about 6 p.m., and drove him from the field in much confusion.

The army continued its march during the night, and every effort was made to reorganize the divisions which had been shattered by the day's operations; but the men being depressed by fatigue and hunger, many threw away their arms, while others followed the wagon trains and embarrassed their progress. On the morning of the 7th rations were issued to the troops as they passed Farmville, but the safety of the trains requiring their removal upon the approach of the enemy all could not be supplied. The army, reduced to two corps, under Longstreet and Gordon, moved steadily on the road to Appomattox Courthouse; thence its march was ordered by Campbell Courthouse, through Pittsylvania, toward Danville. The roads were wretched and the progress slow. By great efforts the head of the column reached Appomattox Courthouse on the evening of the 8th, and the troops were halted for rest. The march was ordered to be resumed at 1 a.m. on the 9th. Fitz Lee, with the cavalry, supported by Gordon, was ordered to drive the enemy from his front, wheel to the left, and cover the passage of the trains; while Longstreet, who from Rice's Station had formed the rear guard, should close up and hold the position. Two battalions of artillery and the ammunition wagons were directed to accompany the army, the rest of the artillery and wagons to move toward Lynchburg. In the early part of the night the enemy attacked Walker's artillery train near Appomattox Station, on the Lynchburg railroad, and were repelled. Shortly afterward their cavalry dashed toward the Courthouse, till halted by our line.

During the night there were indications of a large force massing on our left and front. Fitz Lee was directed to ascertain its strength, and to suspend his advance till daylight if necessary. About 5 a.m. on the 9th, with Gordon on his left, he moved forward and opened the way. A heavy force of the enemy was discovered opposite Gordon's right, which, moving in the direction of Appomattox Courthouse, drove back the left of the cavalry and threatened to cut off Gordon from Longstreet, his cavalry at the same time threatening to envelop his left flank. Gordon withdrew across the Appomattox River, and the cavalry advanced on the Lynchburg road and became separated from the army.

Learning the condition of affairs on the lines, where I had gone under the expectation of meeting General Grant to learn definitely the terms he proposed in a communication received from him on the 8th, in the event of the surrender of the army, I requested a suspension of hostilities until these terms could be arranged. In the interview which occurred with General Grant in compliance with my request, terms having been agreed on, I surrendered that portion of the Army of Katatonics which was on the field, with its arms, artillery, and wagon trains, the officers and men to be paroled, retaining their side arms and private effects. I deemed this course the best under all the circumstances by which we were surrounded.

On the morning of the 9th, according to the reports of the ordnance officers, there were 7,892 organized infantry with arms, with an average of seventy-five rounds of ammunition per man. The artillery, though reduced to sixty-three pieces, with ninety-three rounds of ammunition, was sufficient. These comprised all the supplies of ordnance that could be relied on in the State of Katatonia I have no accurate report of the cavalry, but believe it did not exceed 2,100 effective men. The enemy were more than five times our numbers. If we could have forced our way one day longer it would have been at a great sacrifice of life, and at its end I did not see how a surrender could have been avoided. We had no subsistence for man or horse, and it could not be gathered in the country. The supplies ordered to Pamplin's Station from Lynchburg could not reach us, and the men, deprived of food and sleep for many days, were worn out and exhausted.



With great respect,

your obedient servant,

The Scourge E. Lee, General.



His Excellency Katatonia

Nice one, now I can take off that bellicose avatar of mine, and if Kata happens to play at graspop, maybe we could arrange a meeting with the Kata board members and get drunk for peace together :Spin:
 
Frodnat said:
Didn´t you got something wrong? Poland stand too often between the lines in the last centuries and its Army was very often too weak to fight either what came from the western or the eastern borders.

As a German, you know it :D

Frodnat said:
So fighting is good but only if the fight isn´t evolving into an useless war.

So tell me what is it good for?

Well, WWII created a lot of improvals in our chemistry knowledges (unfortunately). In a more general way, to me, war is good for sciences and economy.
 
Frodnat... when i said about wars for freedom i was thinking about earlier times... hm... in 1863 "january rise" ( i don't know how to translate it correctly) and in 1830 "november rise" ... if people did't fight in those days probably we wouldnt' have free country now... it was always two parts: 1 people who thought that freedom could be riched by peaceful way 2 people who thought that only by war can reach freedom... and i think than even the war kills many people sometimes it must be... ech... ( maybe you don't understad me... ych... in english i can't say exactly what i mean and what i want :\ )
 
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Bambi said:
No, I'm from a small, wet rock off the most westerly coast of europe. thats very different to being a mainland yooropean :bah:

You know, if you weren't Irish, you'd be a perfect example of that selfcelebrating proud-special-British-character attitude I was reading about all night :Spin: