Anyone Out There Still Dropping in Samples by Hand

[JoeMeek12397]

Anyone out there still using TTT when working with samples? I am.

I recently built up a library of, mainly, one shot samples that I audition with StructureFree. I drop in like a verse or chorus of samples then cycle through the library. Then I drop in the appropriate multis from there. It's primitive, but also pretty cool because I can work out if and how I'm going to stack samples without all the trial and error.

How are other TTT users out there working?

 

[DavePiatek]

Tab to Transient isn't quite as accurate (at least in PT) as I'd like. Any phase problems with samples drive me nuts. For quick jobs, Massey DRT does the trick. The "learn" function is easy and gets great results.

 

[JoeMeek12397]

I would love to get a program to help with placing, but I'm broke as a joke. I adjust the trigger points in EA analysis mode but I always find myself doing micro nudges to remedy phase problems. I'm still in version 8. Has there not been an improvement since then?

 

[botus99]

I'm broke as a joke

Too broke for ApTrigga?

 

[Via Noctis]

I think aptrigga is au or vst only. I think the OP is referring to pro tools.

 

[DavePiatek]

I would love to get a program to help with placing, but I'm broke as a joke. I adjust the trigger points in EA analysis mode but I always find myself doing micro nudges to remedy phase problems. I'm still in version 8. Has there not been an improvement since then?

Get the unlimited demo of DRT. Even in demo mode, it's still SUPER accurate.

http://www.masseyplugins.com/plugins/drt

 

[BLUElightCory]

I use DRT for kicks and do snares/toms by hand. Tab-to-transient isn't accurate enough so I chop with Beat Detective and go through and double-check the cuts manually.

 

[vespiz]

Some pesky toms still get tabbed here.

 

[greyskull]

Fuck NO

 

[ze kink]

Well, for some reason apTrigga2 places my samples all over the place (at least in Logic), so I have to fix every hit by hand, otherwise I get phase problems and especially on the kick it sounds like shit. So kinda, but not really.

It's a complete pain in the ass and I'm probably going to buy Trigger as soon as I've got money.

 

[mva801]

I've been using Massey replace the kick/ snare with ticks or a sample. It's really accurate, but there are always a few hits here and there. Using that and then just cruising through with a manual check has been the fastest for me. THEN I'll put trigger onto the massey replaced track and then I can audition samples however I want.

Still haven't gone back to trying midi with trigger. I don't trust it, even though it's supposedly fixed.

And like Dave said, ttt isn't always accurate with the start of the transient. You'll get a fair amount of phase issues because of that. Massey has cleaned it up for me.

 

[DavePiatek]

Still haven't gone back to trying midi with trigger. I don't trust it, even though it's supposedly fixed.

It's not fixed.

 

[Via Noctis]

For kick and snare I use trigger and use a combination of a transient designer before it, and triggers bleed suppression. Toms I usually replace with Massey DRT

 

[JoeMeek12397]

Thanks for all the replies. Its cool to hear how others are working.

I use DRT for kicks and do snares/toms by hand. Tab-to-transient isn't accurate enough so I chop with Beat Detective and go through and double-check the cuts manually.

I haven't ever tried slicing with BD. I'm definitely going to try this. Any tips? I never really fuck with Beat Detective. Any edits I do are by hand so I've hardly even opened BD.

 

[Jordon]

I drop all my tom samples by hand, but I do it visually. Since 90% of the time, I'm replacing the toms with samples from the kit that was recorded, it's fairly quick. Lately, for snare, I've been dropping a sample of a click or trigger pad with Trigger, then checking visually on the alignment. It's time consuming, but I noticed that it really helps retain the overall feel of the performance in terms of dynamics....or it's just a placebo effect....

 

[Daybreak]

Even though I've yet to replace drums on a real kit (planning on buying Steven Slate Trigger for my band's upcoming EP), TTT just seems like kind of a time-waster. Something like SST or Massey's DRT doesn't cost much at all, and I'm fairly sure it does the job pretty well. But then again, I have not done much of this kind of work before, so if someone can tell me the pros and cons of using trigger plugins vs. doing it by hand, that would be sweet!

 

[vespiz]

It's not a problem, if the drummer hits the toms like s/he means it. Usually, they don't.

 

[DavePiatek]

so if someone can tell me the pros and cons of using trigger plugins vs. doing it by hand, that would be sweet!

There's no free lunch. There isn't a plug-in in the world that will be 100% accurate on super-complicated material. Sometimes you'll just spend more time correcting errors with the automatic replacement software than just doing it manually.

That's why Massey>MIDI works best for me, it's easy to make adjustments/audition samples once the MIDI is perfect, and it's far easier to check the MIDI visually than using a program like Trigger, unless you print first, which adds at least one more step to your workflow.

 

[greyskull]

There's no free lunch. There isn't a plug-in in the world that will be 100% accurate on super-complicated material. Sometimes you'll just spend more time correcting errors with the automatic replacement software than just doing it manually.

That's why Massey>MIDI works best for me, it's easy to make adjustments/audition samples once the MIDI is perfect, and it's far easier to check the MIDI visually than using a program like Trigger, unless you print first, which adds at least one more step to your workflow.

Exactly! And you have way more control per velocities. I dtm then use that midi to trigger trigger