Originally posted by Misanthrope
Thats what i tell myself everytime i go out to the street or i go rehearsal im just tired of holy wars ( because if you are an extreme atheist and fight christianity you become part of they holy war too ).
Nonsense, and here's why: Anti-religious sorts are seeking to help others escape the trap of religion which has pervaded their minds like a disease. We want people to wake up to reality as it presents itself. We want to liberate them so that others cannot use their fears against them to do things like fly planes into buildings. This is not becoming part of a holy war, it's trying to get stupid people to wake up to the fact that holy wars are stupid.
I wish everyone atheist and religion fanatics would sit down and talk for 10 years just to realize that both are victims of the same crime:making themselves believe.
Bullshit. The atheist people aren't really atheist, they are agnostic and they have mis-labeled themselves, they have the good sense to admit that they don't know and the balls to adopt an opinion which makes sense to them.
Did I make myself believe the world is round? Did I make myself believe that viruses can kill me?
Being liberated from religion and seeing the all the horrible crap that religion has helped cause in this world is NOT a crime, if anything, it's commendable and honourable.
Religion its easy you make yourself believe in god because there is no other way around it.
It's only easy because they have their own fears/desires circumventing their logic. A religion without fear is not a very successful religion.
Extreme atheist and all atheist for all that matter also make themselves believe there is not a god.
I see. So, you "made yourself believe" that the moon isn't made of jello pudding?
One doesn't have to make oneself believe there is no god when one has never been presented with a good reason to think there is a god in the first place.
Atheism isn't about "belief", it's about LACK of belief in the innane, and there's a huge difference there.
Extreme atheist and all atheist for all that matter also make themselves believe there is not a god.
I just had to quote this a second time and say that it is one of the most silly things I've ever read here.
It seems that so many people are stuck on this "believe" idea. If someone happens to agree with evolution a religious person would say "Oh, you believe in evolution?" Someone asked my gf this not long ago, and it's just too lame to take seriously. Evolution or just accepting reality as it is isn't about "believing" in evolution or reality, it's about simply being honest with oneself and having an open and logical mind (which religious people clearly do not).
There is no way to prove it exist but there is not a way NOT to. None of the positions its correct ok?
We aren't talking about what's "correct", we are talking about what is most likely, logical, and practical. The correctness of a position can never truly be known, which is why we call ideas "theories".
Science its as flawed and arrogant as religion,
Oh boy, if you truly believe this then you clearly are not yet ready to be taking part in a discussion of this nature. Read, study, learn, think, and come back when you are more informed, this way, you won't be slammed quite as hard cuz you won't make such ridiculous statements.
I'm going to make a generalization here: anyone who equates scientific methodology with religious mythology is either uninformed or just plain dumb. Thank you.
filled with pretencious people that want to be respected because of their intelligence, just like monk want to be respected for their wisdom, just like priest wants to be respected for his high standart moral.
Exactly, scientists want to be respected cuz of their intelligence. We can respect a monk for his wisdom and a priest for his morality but we can't respect them for their intelligence because they are clearly lacking in that arena if they have brainwashed themselves to such a great extent.
In the end comes to this: where do we come from? where are we going? what is dead?. Religious people find the easy way out in god. Atheist find the harder way out in science and if there is one thing science can prove is that science cannot be proven. It keeps evolving discovering things im shure in 1000 years we are gonna look back and laugh at our patetic theories of how life started.
Exactly, which is what makes science so fucking amazing. It keeps questioning itself, keeps finding better answers, and for this reason, it is the only route to truth and understanding.
Btw, I don't think we'll look back and laugh at our theories of how life started, this is something that is pretty obvious to us now, so, we may refine the ideas, but laugh at them? I seriously doubt that.
I do not understand why its easier for the human beign to believe blindly and put their trust to someone that its not even tangible
Because they are either afriad or just too dumb to know any better.
and i do not understand why they will try to uncover all the secrets of the universe just to know where we came from.
Humans have a thrist for knowledge and technological advancement, it's part of who we are, and it's partly the reason why we've evolved so far so fast.
Why cant this people stop having arguments why cant this people accept they do not have a damn clue..
Because they do have a damn clue (scientists) and they can't just pretend that they don't, and other people have a thrist for knowledge which simply can't and won't go away. It's innate to being a human.
take care,
Satori
