ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

[No-Mercy]

maybe people should start handling their mail on their own if they hate the service.

every batch of apples has its bad ones...its going to happen sometimes. thought i bet the amount of time packages are delivered in the condition

besides, every customer knows its a possibility to start, so dont use the given company if youre not willing to take the risk.

Unlucky for her, we don't take that kind of crap at all and she ended up getting canned (I called the head PO immediately and reported the incident).

that sucks. but ouch...i mean thats not cool for her to do at all. but talk about treating other people...someone losing their job because of something like that? seems a bit harsh to me. i hope that salary wasnt responsible for providing for any children...you were well in your right and all, but damn. that really takes the cake

 

[caex]

maybe people should start handling their mail on their own if they hate the service.

every batch of apples has its bad ones...its going to happen sometimes. thought i bet the amount of time packages are delivered in the condition

besides, every customer knows its a possibility to start, so dont use the given company if youre not willing to take the risk.



that sucks. but ouch...i mean thats not cool for her to do at all. but talk about treating other people...someone losing their job because of something like that? seems a bit harsh to me. i hope that salary wasnt responsible for providing for any children...you were well in your right and all, but damn. that really takes the cake

I'd say the woman deserved to lose her job for what she did.

 

[nailz]

maybe people should start handling their mail on their own if they hate the service.

I agree. If you dont expect things like this to happen every so often, well, you're diluting yourself.

And wand, these people get paid jack shit to do a job that they're most likely being underpaid for. Unfortunately, getting paid the minimum amount of money you're willing to take and getting screwed by a company doesn't exactly instill a desire to "do your best".

You don't trust UPS, buy the insurance, that's what it's for. Or set up a camera like this and take them to court. Taking your rage out on me for pointing out the fact that this happens, and there's nothing anyone's going to be able to do to fix it other than pay a higher fee to better pay these employees so they can take some pride in the job they do, then there's no point in bitching about it, because lets face it, you'd all bitch about increased prices.

*shrug*

And Bryan: I'd say about 3/4 of a pound of peanuts.

 

[Wandrail]

I agree. If you dont expect things like this to happen every so often, well, you're diluting yourself.

And wand, these people get paid jack shit to do a job that they're most likely being underpaid for. Unfortunately, getting paid the minimum amount of money you're willing to take and getting screwed by a company doesn't exactly instill a desire to "do your best".

You don't trust UPS, buy the insurance, that's what it's for. Or set up a camera like this and take them to court. Taking your rage out on me for pointing out the fact that this happens, and there's nothing anyone's going to be able to do to fix it other than pay a higher fee to better pay these employees so they can take some pride in the job they do, then there's no point in bitching about it, because lets face it, you'd all bitch about increased prices.

*shrug*

And Bryan: I'd say about 3/4 of a pound of peanuts.

Actually the drivers get paid plenty, and as I am originally from Louisville where the UPS hub is I know that working there handling packages on the back end pays plenty, too. Its a menial job, man. I have worked menial jobs. Your arguments are silly, its like debating with Jeff Spicoli. No one who has a decent work ethic and has had to bear the burden of slackers on the job or has had their shit screwed up by people who just don't give a damn could be so flippant about such assholish (that's a word, I just made it up) behavior. I'm sure you're a decent guy and everything but come the fuck on, man.

 

[13ShadesofGray]

that sucks. but ouch...i mean thats not cool for her to do at all. but talk about treating other people...someone losing their job because of something like that? seems a bit harsh to me. i hope that salary wasnt responsible for providing for any children...you were well in your right and all, but damn. that really takes the cake

Dude, I didn't fire her, her boss did. As you said, I was well within my rights to call and file a complaint - I would expect any rational person to have done the same thing under the same set of circumstances. I may have acted as a catalyst, but I did not cause her to lose her job. I don't know the P.O. guidelines, but I would suspect that more than one ding on her record is required to warrant a pink slip. Do I feel bad for her that she lost her job? No, I don't. You don't do a job according to the rules, you run the risk of losing that job. Period.

 

[No-Mercy]

i know, its just harsh and sucks...i would say something to, and if it happened again to me, than i would be really pissed. i was just throwing out another side to the equation is all.

 

[ICEDEARTHFAN]

I agree. If you dont expect things like this to happen every so often, well, you're diluting yourself.

And wand, these people get paid jack shit to do a job that they're most likely being underpaid for. Unfortunately, getting paid the minimum amount of money you're willing to take and getting screwed by a company doesn't exactly instill a desire to "do your best".

You don't trust UPS, buy the insurance, that's what it's for. Or set up a camera like this and take them to court. Taking your rage out on me for pointing out the fact that this happens, and there's nothing anyone's going to be able to do to fix it other than pay a higher fee to better pay these employees so they can take some pride in the job they do, then there's no point in bitching about it, because lets face it, you'd all bitch about increased prices.

*shrug*

And Bryan: I'd say about 3/4 of a pound of peanuts.

I see your point,Nailz.But I also see Wandrail's point.I think you (Nailz) are trying to say it's not that you condone what this person did,it's just that this happens a lot everywhere because these institutions don't care if their drivers are getting paid enough as long as the big dogs are getting there money.
Wandrail,I think you are saying it shouldn't matter what the drivers are making,they agreed to perform a job to the best of their ability and this driver is not even close to fulfilling that agreement.I think most common folk don't make enough at their respective job but I would hope that they would still do a good job for at least the sake of being called a good employee and getting a nice reference if they get to move on to something better.I deal with U.P.S. drivers 5 days a week and out of the 3 that do the pick-ups where I work I think they all do great jobs.I never hear them complain and they are always in a good mood.I don't know how much they make,but I hope that woudln't matter to them.
Anyway,I just wanted to give my opinion on the 2 points being made.

 

[Kaosaur]

Bryan: I had a similar situation happen when I ordered my 4x12 cab.

When I opened the box, I heard things moving around and said the classic "oh fuck" line. Unscrewed the back and all four speakers were ripped out of their mounts and the cones cracked.

I filed the dispute with UPS and they (UPS) ended up having to pay to have a new one shipped out to me.

 

[nailz]

Actually the drivers get paid plenty, and as I am originally from Louisville where the UPS hub is I know that working there handling packages on the back end pays plenty, too. Its a menial job, man. I have worked menial jobs. Your arguments are silly, its like debating with Jeff Spicoli. No one who has a decent work ethic and has had to bear the burden of slackers on the job or has had their shit screwed up by people who just don't give a damn could be so flippant about such assholish (that's a word, I just made it up) behavior. I'm sure you're a decent guy and everything but come the fuck on, man.

I'd like to know what 'plenty' amounts to. And the brain gets bored. I mean, you can't expect these guys to handle every package with a feather touch, it's just not going to happen. I've had boxes come to my house that were utterly destroyed, and when I worked at sony, I had calls about people's notebooks who came back in pieces. I guess my point here is, yah, it sucks that it happens, and it shouldn't, but it does, it has, and it will.

Get the insurance and file a complaint. All you can do.

 

[Perpet]

I'd like to know what 'plenty' amounts to. And the brain gets bored. I mean, you can't expect these guys to handle every package with a feather touch, it's just not going to happen. I've had boxes come to my house that were utterly destroyed, and when I worked at sony, I had calls about people's notebooks who came back in pieces. I guess my point here is, yah, it sucks that it happens, and it shouldn't, but it does, it has, and it will.

Get the insurance and file a complaint. All you can do.

I think you're missing the point here. It doesn't really matter what they make or how boring their job is, there is no way to justify that behavior. If you're job is boring or doesn't pay enough, get a new job period. Don't take out your frustrations on the packages, and BTW I don't think everybody expects every package to handled with a "feather touch" however launching a package from the street takes it to another level. It's not like the guy dropped the package on accident, that I could totally understand.

 

[No-Mercy]

well i still say, you know the risk youre taking. if youre not ok with it, dont use the service. find a better way to send items cross state/country/world...

and if everybody who was unsatisfied or bored at their job or pissed at their salary quit instead of sometimes tossing a package, there wouldnt even be a service for you to risk with your mail.

 

[Bryan316]

I'd like to know what 'plenty' amounts to. And the brain gets bored. I mean, you can't expect these guys to handle every package with a feather touch, it's just not going to happen. I've had boxes come to my house that were utterly destroyed, and when I worked at sony, I had calls about people's notebooks who came back in pieces. I guess my point here is, yah, it sucks that it happens, and it shouldn't, but it does, it has, and it will.

Get the insurance and file a complaint. All you can do.

So you're justifying the slacker? You're justifying the irresponsible? You're justifying the fuckups of the world and all their fucking-up?


I don't care if the brain gets bored. My brain gets bored when I'm doing my job. But I don't release drawings to the fabrication shop that are unsafe or mechanically deficient or don't work.

It's one thing to slack off. Everyone does it. It's another to be HORRIBLE AT YOUR JOB AND DESTROY PEOPLE'S PROPERTY.

If I knew who that driver was that chucked that package, he'd lose his job AND end up in the hospital.

And it's a shame, a crying shame, that you defend his actions, with an excuse like, "The brain gets bored."

 

[Wandrail]

So you're justifying the slacker? You're justifying the irresponsible? You're justifying the fuckups of the world and all their fucking-up?

I don't care if the brain gets bored. My brain gets bored when I'm doing my job. But I don't release drawings to the fabrication shop that are unsafe or mechanically deficient or don't work.

It's one thing to slack off. Everyone does it. It's another to be HORRIBLE AT YOUR JOB AND DESTROY PEOPLE'S PROPERTY.

If I knew who that driver was that chucked that package, he'd lose his job AND end up in the hospital.

And it's a shame, a crying shame, that you defend his actions, with an excuse like, "The brain gets bored."

Yep, there's a huge difference between human error, fatigue - normal things we all do and deal with - and just not giving a fuck about the job you're paid to do or about other people and their property. The former is forgivable, expected - the latter identifies you as unfit for whatever job, no matter how menial and also an asshole in general.

And Nailz, man...at UPS, package handlers can make between $9-$11 an hour. All you have to do is move packages and there are very low expectations as to your personal appearance, etc. There are people making that pushing paper who have to look professional, deal with an office environment, etc. Most package handler positions are part time, but UPS also has one of the most generous education compensation packages around. They cooperate with Jefferson Community College there in Louisville (which is affiliated with UK) and used to even have free courses at the UPS site to make it more convenient.

Drivers on the other hand get paid a ton of money. Last I heard you can make $20+ an hour as a driver if you're in it long enough. I've never made close to that in my life, so tell me again why I should somehow sympathize with someone who makes that much money and just doesn't give a damn? Do you know how many people would love to have that job and would work their ass off and be happy about it?

 

[nailz]

I can't imagine working my ass off for $20 an hour and being happy about it. That's virtually nothing. It's a lot when you're just driving around delivering packages though, I guess. "If you're in it long enough". Also, $9-$11 an hour may as well be minimum wage. If you expect quality workers for that, please don't ever open your own business. Blockbuster employees make 7.50$ an hour. You think they give 2 rat shits about their jobs? News: They don't.

There are people making that pushing paper who have to look professional, deal with an office environment, etc.

I call these people unmotivated, or as-of-yet unskilled. I'm one for the thought process of you are exactly where you deserve to be in life (financially).

And no, I'm not justifying. I'm explaining the real world. You make shit, you get treated like shit, and you won't give a shit. Plain and simple.

 

[Wandrail]

I can't imagine working my ass off for $20 an hour and being happy about it. That's virtually nothing. It's a lot when you're just driving around delivering packages though, I guess. "If you're in it long enough". Also, $9-$11 an hour may as well be minimum wage. If you expect quality workers for that, please don't ever open your own business. Blockbuster employees make 7.50$ an hour. You think they give 2 rat shits about their jobs? News: They don't.

Your perspective is all sorts of fucked up. You're making it sound like you make good money and have an inability to see things from the perspective of others who don't or are not there yet, yet you also think you can speak for them. I honestly can't even comprehend where you're coming from on this unless you're just trolling, because it makes no goddamn sense. For your sake I hope you're just being an internet jerk because if this is indicative of your attitude in person you must be a real pain in the ass to deal with in any capacity.

There's a difference between "caring" about your job the way one cares about a career or something of deep personal interest or "caring" about a job in the way that any decent human being who is worth even scrubbing a toilet cares enough to do the right thing and AT THE VERY LEAST not deliberately do the opposite of what they're supposed to, without care for who or what is hurt in the process. If you can't understand that simple thing then all the rest of this is pointless.

I call these people unmotivated, or as-of-yet unskilled. I'm one for the thought process of you are exactly where you deserve to be in life (financially).

And no, I'm not justifying. I'm explaining the real world. You make shit, you get treated like shit, and you won't give a shit. Plain and simple.

I'm beginning to think you're just into contradiction. You have to be trolling. I feel like i've walked into a Monty Python skit. You're exactly where you deserve to be in life financially, sure. Some are on the way up, some on the way down and others are going nowhere, all for different reasons. You seem to assume that anyone who is working a plain old job is also being treated like shit and is somehow trapped in some dead-end of life. I don't even know how to begin addressing that level of ignorance.

Oh and lest we forget, this whole argument or whatever you want to call it comes from you defending the fact that a UPS driver would chuck and damage someone's package out of laziness or sheer spite for the job that's paying their bills and they do voluntarily. You may be alone in the cosmos on that one.

 

[freakchylde]

I can't imagine working my ass off for $20 an hour and being happy about it. That's virtually nothing. It's a lot when you're just driving around delivering packages though, I guess. "If you're in it long enough". Also, $9-$11 an hour may as well be minimum wage. If you expect quality workers for that, please don't ever open your own business. Blockbuster employees make 7.50$ an hour. You think they give 2 rat shits about their jobs? News: They don't.

I can, and I do, under one of my contracts. I work my ass off to the point I work 6 days a week. Why? Because I have this thing called a work ethic, which unfortunately causes me more stress due to the fact I like to get the job done and do an awesome job. Blockbuster employees that make the 7.50 are entry level. They have the opportunity to work their asses off and potentially move up the ladder, or they can not give a shit because they're probably in HS or working an additional job to keep the money flowing.

I call these people unmotivated, or as-of-yet unskilled. I'm one for the thought process of you are exactly where you deserve to be in life (financially).

And no, I'm not justifying. I'm explaining the real world. You make shit, you get treated like shit, and you won't give a shit. Plain and simple.

And I call bullshit, Nailz. Some people, actually get enjoyment out of working in the types of jobs that you seem to think are one that are unmotivating and unskilled. Some people work those jobs because they CHOOSE to, and prefer to live a more simple life than get bogged down with the whole corporate bullshit that they might have to deal with otherwise. Plus, in this economy, guess what?? Some of those unmotivated people are trying to keep from going under, after having been laid off and decided to take what they could get instead of sitting on their asses and lamenting the good ole days when they could get paid to sit on their ass for 7 hours.

Honestly, if this really is your attitude towards people's choices of career/job paths, then you really need a fucking reality check.

 

[J-Dubya 777]

In between IT jobs, I worked for Office Depot as a driver/delivery person back when each store had their trucks. I think I made $8-9 an hour. Ever break a sweat dragging a mahogany desk up a spiral staircase? Ever get the staisfaction of being outside driving around all day, and that ultimate feeling of backing your truck into the dock on a Friday and knowing that you have nobody bothering you with work stuff until you walk back in on Monday? I'm 100% in agreement with Freakchylde. It's called work ethic. I DID care. When I was laid off of my 75K/year job in 2002, I did whatever I could do job-wise, whether it be driving cars for a dealership for 8$/hour, or working over a year shucking freight at Home Depot for $10/hour. No matter what job I've ever had, & no matter what I've been paid or not paid, or how I was treated, I worked my nuts off, and did the best job I can. This includes working for Glenn. There ARE people who don't run away from challenges, and DO give a shit. There are also other opportunities in such menial jobs for people who care. People without a work ethic deserve whatever shit is shat upon them. The younger generation need to blame their parents if this wasn't instilled in them...

For the record, I've never had an item damaged in shipping by UPS, Fed-Ex, or DHL. I've bought & sold thousands of dollars worth of music gear, and NEVER had an issue.

 

[nailz]

Your perspective is all sorts of fucked up. You're making it sound like you make good money and have an inability to see things from the perspective of others who don't or are not there yet, yet you also think you can speak for them. I honestly can't even comprehend where you're coming from on this unless you're just trolling, because it makes no goddamn sense. For your sake I hope you're just being an internet jerk because if this is indicative of your attitude in person you must be a real pain in the ass to deal with in any capacity.

If you know me from the internet on discussions like this then you know this is just what I do. I don't think of it as trolling, though I know I appear to be standoff-ish. I'm just extremely arrogant when it comes to someone's self-worth, and I think that people under-value themselves, and I'm sick of it. I really DONT care that UPS destroys packages because I believe they don't feel they get paid enough to give a shit. Again, that's what insurance is for. Let UPS deal with their employees.

There's a difference between "caring" about your job the way one cares about a career or something of deep personal interest or "caring" about a job in the way that any decent human being who is worth even scrubbing a toilet cares enough to do the right thing and AT THE VERY LEAST not deliberately do the opposite of what they're supposed to, without care for who or what is hurt in the process. If you can't understand that simple thing then all the rest of this is pointless.

Again, the mentality of people who work a $9 an hour job is "fuck-it", because it's not terribly difficult to go out and find another one. If you don't understand THAT, you should take a few business classes.

I'm beginning to think you're just into contradiction.

Wouldn't it be booring if we all agreed all the time?

You seem to assume that anyone who is working a plain old job is also being treated like shit and is somehow trapped in some dead-end of life. I don't even know how to begin addressing that level of ignorance.

Quite the opposite. I believe anyone who doesn't like their current level of employment and feels they're trapped in a dead-end job/life has every oppertunity, ability, and responsibility to stop complaining and do something about it. You live in America. You can litterally do ANYTHING YOU WANT.

Oh and lest we forget, this whole argument or whatever you want to call it comes from you defending the fact that a UPS driver would chuck and damage someone's package out of laziness or sheer spite for the job that's paying their bills and they do voluntarily. You may be alone in the cosmos on that one.

Let me know when you ask the guy who chucked the package why he did it, what he says.

 

[nailz]

I can, and I do, under one of my contracts. I work my ass off to the point I work 6 days a week. Why? Because I have this thing called a work ethic, which unfortunately causes me more stress due to the fact I like to get the job done and do an awesome job.

So you don't just have the one contract then? You've got multiple? Do you run your own business? Just curious. I mean, I have a work ethic too, but I work smarter, not harder. Working IT for the 2nd most important group on a 65,000 student College University is pretty demanding, but you honestly wouldn't believe the downtime I have because I've streamlined everything. I have virtually no job stress, and since I only make 40k a year, I don't think I'd tolerate much.

Blockbuster employees that make the 7.50 are entry level. They have the opportunity to work their asses off and potentially move up the ladder

I worked for Blockbuster for about 6 months because I couldn't find employment in a shit hole town and I wasn't ready to leave. I worked my ass off at that job and was an absolutely model employee. I made $7 an hour. And my store manager (who happened to be my best friend who only hired me after I prodded him for like, a month) had to fight for that. The only reason I gave a shit at all about it was because he was my friend and he'd been my boss before. He still works there, 5 years later, as the only Store Manager who can continue to turn a profit in the stores with the highest theft rates. Long story short: He's been passed up for promotions several times because he's "too valuable", and has gotten nominial raises. He hates his job and works shit hours for his wife and kids, and since the kids aren't his, they can't leave Buffalo for custody reasons (he loves them, they love him, happy marriage and all). It's a bullshit situation at blockbuster for him. He's a better man than I am though, I'd have gone crazy.

or they can not give a shit because they're probably in HS or working an additional job to keep the money flowing.

So we agree.

And I call bullshit, Nailz. Some people, actually get enjoyment out of working in the types of jobs that you seem to think are one that are unmotivating and unskilled. Some people work those jobs because they CHOOSE to, and prefer to live a more simple life than get bogged down with the whole corporate bullshit that they might have to deal with otherwise.

Ok, you're right. I definitely agree on this point with you. And that's fine, there's nothing wrong with that. However, it goes with my "you are where you deserve to be, financially" statement. There's nothing wrong with doing these jobs if that's really what you enjoy, and can make a comftorable living on the money you make. I just don't think these people are the ones deliberately throwing around packages.

Plus, in this economy, guess what?? Some of those unmotivated people are trying to keep from going under, after having been laid off and decided to take what they could get instead of sitting on their asses and lamenting the good ole days when they could get paid to sit on their ass for 7 hours.

Defeatist attitude says what? ... Yardly seems to have taken a rotten situation and turned it into an oppertunity. I don't see why everyone else can't. I, myself, am trying to take advantage of what's happening with the economy. There's always oppertunity for those who are willing to look and work for it. Just because the economy is in the shitter doesn't mean I shouldn't get rewarded for being amazing at my job, which is what's happening. I'm getting a pay cut for something that's in no way my fault. I plan on fixing the situation. There's no reason for people to take a metaphorical steak knife up the ass and have to say "thank you!".

Honestly, if this really is your attitude towards people's choices of career/job paths, then you really need a fucking reality check.

I've been on both sides of the coin. I wasn't exactly born into wealth. My Mom raised me single for 7 years working 14 backbreaking (literally) hour shifts in a psyche ward 6 days a week to make sure I had everything I needed. I know now even if not back then everything she did and what she gave up on my behalf. To sit here and say "I'm ok getting by, and don't feel like doing better" would be the worst insult I could imagine to her. Everyone's had someone in their past who's given up everything to make a better life for their families for generations, either by coming to America or doing whatever it is they do in another country. I just can't fathom not being the best I can to honor that sacrifice.

 

[Bear]

Nailz where do you get the $9.00 a hr figure? Most UPS Drivers out here in California make more than you do?

Bear