Aspirational Nationalism

[Goreripper]

There is a massive difference between being a NAZI and a Nationalist, massive.

If that's your argument, there's also a massive difference between being a socialist and being a communist. But there's also a very fine line between them.

Do you think you are smart when you call me danny boy? does it give you a sense of superiority undermining my opinions by infering im a NAZI. Because anyone can do that, it requires no InteLLigence at all.

I implied no such thing. My implication was that one of the next logical steps from nationalism is Nazism/fascism, and that's so undesirable that even you wouldn't like it.

 

[Dän]

I would agree that extreme forms of nationalism lend itself to fascist ideals; being someone who is proud of their country is completely different from believeing that the people who reside in that country are more superior than those who reside in others, which is the underlying ideology behind Nazism and racism in general.

 

[Goreripper]

There's certainly nothing wrong with a bit of national pride. But as a political scientist will tell you, there's a difference between the small-n nationalism that you and I are talking about, and the capital-n Nationalism implied by Howard. If you have a close look at his political associations and philosophies, he isn't that far from the New Right.

 

[Dän]

The New Right.

?

 

[Goreripper]

You're an economics student. You should know what that means.

 

[Dän]

The Labor party started many new right reforms mate.

New right policies are merely socially conservatism and economic Liberalism; neither are new concepts separatly, but together they are.

The right is where it is at, perfect mix of economic rationale and social integrity.

is Howard really a liberalist economist though? I'm not sure, and I'm asking seriously. An extreme economic liberalist would be someone who wants very little or no government intervention in the economy and allow the market to sort it out; in the current framework, merely because you have things like welfare, this will not exist. I'd say that he is certainly on the liberal side of economic handling though, and there is nothing wrong with that.

I tend to get confused with terms like liberal conservatism, neo-liberal economics etc... Expecially when we have a liberal party, which is sometimes the opposite of liberal in regards to social policies

 

[Goreripper]

Howard's a Neo-Con. If it was up to him there would be so social welfare platform and government intervention in the economy would almost cease to exist. It's been his pet policy to sell off Telstra don't forget, and he was also behind our wonderful FTAs that almost wiped out the sugar industry. If he wasn't hindered by the Constitution and the Senate (which he wanted to scrap as well), he would have done to Australia what Thatcher did to Britain and Reagan did to the US. If you can separate what Howard would like to do with what he's allowed to do, even you would be alarmed.

 

[Goreripper]

I tend to get confused with terms like liberal conservatism, neo-liberal economics etc... Expecially when we have a liberal party, which is sometimes the opposite of liberal in regards to social policies

Yes it is pretty confusing. The Liberal Party is not a liberal party, and never has been. It was founded by Robert Menzies, the ultimate free-marketeer, and Howard is one of his greatest disciples.

 

[Stonewall]

Free markets create the conditions for nasty exploitation, marginalisation, and general left-behindedness of poorer nations.

 

[Dän]

Howard's a Neo-Con. If it was up to him there would be so social welfare platform and government intervention in the economy would almost cease to exist. It's been his pet policy to sell off Telstra don't forget, and he was also behind our wonderful FTAs that almost wiped out the sugar industry. If he wasn't hindered by the Constitution and the Senate (which he wanted to scrap as well), he would have done to Australia what Thatcher did to Britain and Reagan did to the US. If you can separate what Howard would like to do with what he's allowed to do, even you would be alarmed.

Cool, because I admire all of Thatcher, Reagan and Howard; I aspire to lead as they did

Im not a neo con btw, I dont believe our way is the only way.

 

[Goreripper]

Cool, because I admire all of Thatcher, Reagan and Howard; I aspire to lead as they did

 

[Dän]

So you would also deny the effictivness of Thatcher?

If someone is conservative do you immediatly say, oh, this person is a cunt? Or do you bother to put categorisation aside and assess the effectivness of that person; I know that is hard for you pinko's, but if you try real hard, you can do it, and you can see that even us conservatives want to make the world a better place. My view of that better place is different to yours, but that doesnt negate the fact that I would do things that I perceive to be in the best interest of the country.

Anyway, watch out mo fos, in 30 yrs i could be at the pointy end, then you would be shitting yourselfs

 

[Goreripper]

I think you'll need to brush up on your grammar and spelling first.

 

[Stonewall]

I think you'll need to brush up on your grammar and spelling first.

Not if you take GWB as any sort of example.

 

[Goreripper]

 

[Dän]

I think you'll need to brush up on your grammar and spelling first.

Smart arse. I have good points and you know they are right, so you have no argument, so attack other things.

it's the internet, who cares about spelling and grammar? The main point's are the ones that matter.

 

[Wrathchild]

it's the internet, who cares about spelling and grammar?

If you want others to take what you have to say seriously, the way you express yourself is just as important as the points you make. Spelling mistakes and poor grammar, even misplaced apostrophes, shoot your credibility down in flames and give your opponents yet another stick to beat you with.

Carry on...

W

 

[chrisvp]

Anyway, watch out mo fos, in 30 yrs i could be at the pointy end, then you would be shitting yourselfs [/QUOTE]

there is enough evidence on this thread that you won't ,carry on.

 

[Dän]

This message is hidden because chrisvp is on your ignore list.

 

[Goreripper]

Smart arse. I have good points and you know they are right, so you have no argument, so attack other things.

it's the internet, who cares about spelling and grammar? The main point's are the ones that matter.

You're a fucking clown. I have presented arguments time and time again, and even facts regarding my arguments. You still haven't made any comment on the figures I presented with regards to AWAs.