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Well, I agree totally with Ziuwarian and Vintersorg here. Yes, it hurts the artist for people to download music, and it completely sucks that the record company doesn't pay Mr. V. I download music so I can get a taste of what I'm in for. And whatever the cost, I'll buy a CD. If I like the music, I'll buy the CD. Just like I'm trying to get a hold of every CD that I don't have by him. Unfortunately, I only own Cosmic Genesis so far. I'm sorry you have to work so hard to please us. And I'm glad you do, because some people become happy through music. And when I listen to your music, I just feel good inside. I just hope you'll last until you can't last anymore. Long live Mr. V!
 
Yes, yes, we're gathering people under the music of Vintersorg! I think that's a good thing :)

Long live the Legions of Vintersorg!!! ;) Seriously, I think you can be proud to have a large growing fanbase of yours, Mr. V. :) And it's well deserved!
 
Originally posted by Blackspirit
- There is a system developed, you pay the prize of one cd per
month and get access to all the music you can dream of! But who
wants streaming mp3s? When you pay for something you want
to OWN it. And the sound quality is shite!!

Well, yeah, the system is developed, but it would still be "easy" to record a streaming MP3 to a normal MP3 saved on your HD.

And if pay streaming MP3s were all that were available... it'd would have been developed, believe me...
 
Originally posted by The Nomad
Well, yeah, the system is developed, but it would still be "easy" to record a streaming MP3 to a normal MP3 saved on your HD.

And if pay streaming MP3s were all that were available... it'd would have been developed, believe me...

Yeah, people can record the streaming mp3s, no
problem at all, but I'm thinking about the sound-
quallity. The world isn't ready for it. We don't all have
broadband :eek:P

Yeah, of course, but it isn't, so we have to deal with
the facts on how things are now. Should they stop
seeling cd's for good? Would that help? No.
 
Sorry everyone, but I can't agree that file sharing is a good thing. Most bands release a track or two before the release date of an album to give the fans a taste of what is to come. File sharing is pretty much the exact same thing that happens to the local bands here. The kids go to a show, four or so buy the cd and then burn copies for all their friends, drastically decreasing the sales the bands would otherwise have made. This in turn puts more stress on the bands members causing them usually to set aside the music to make a living. Even though these bands are out there doing what they love and making us happy as well, they still have to make a living just like anyone else. I can see how people who have never heard a band would be leery, but that is where the early released tracks come into play. For people like myself who have seen Vintersorg (and countless other artists) prove his talents album after album I can't understand the need to use file sharing to discern whether or not it is worth making a purchase. I have yet to hear a bad Vintersorg track, much less entire album, and have no doubt the new releases will be just as amazing if not even better than prior albums. It is just sad to see that all of this stems from money and unfortunately hurts the artist that everyone has gathered here for to begin with. Just my opinion, definitely not an attempt to offend anyone...
 
Originally posted by Devilot
Sorry everyone, but I can't agree that file sharing is a good thing. Most bands release a track or two before the release date of an album to give the fans a taste of what is to come. File sharing is pretty much the exact same thing that happens to the local bands here. The kids go to a show, four or so buy the cd and then burn copies for all their friends, drastically decreasing the sales the bands would otherwise have made. This in turn puts more stress on the bands members causing them usually to set aside the music to make a living. Even though these bands are out there doing what they love and making us happy as well, they still have to make a living just like anyone else. I can see how people who have never heard a band would be leery, but that is where the early released tracks come into play. For people like myself who have seen Vintersorg (and countless other artists) prove his talents album after album I can't understand the need to use file sharing to discern whether or not it is worth making a purchase. I have yet to hear a bad Vintersorg track, much less entire album, and have no doubt the new releases will be just as amazing if not even better than prior albums. It is just sad to see that all of this stems from money and unfortunately hurts the artist that everyone has gathered here for to begin with. Just my opinion, definitely not an attempt to offend anyone...

i must agree
 
No, I did'nt say that the record company don't pay me(I used the word company as a general term) they pay what they are obligated to pay, but as they have a hard time to spread legal copies it just comes down to peanut money....

Of course I understand that people wants to listen to some samples before they buy the actual album, but I think every band have legal mp3 songs/samples on their site, just for that purpose

By spreading illegal material you just don't violate business laws, personally I think you violate the unwritten laws of artristy...but maybe I'm too naive...in theese days respect for others and their work seems to be abscent.

I hope you all don't take this wrong, but if everybody just acted respectfully I could go on composing and sharing my vision with the world, sadlly that is hardly an option right now.

And with working in the "normal" work field, live performances just goes down the drain, which company is willing to give me free time for a month several times a year??

So I'm not wining about I don't have a million $ on my account, I'm just explaning how hard it's nowdays in metal industry from a band perspective, and the fact that I'm so sad spirutually that my time will be very limited for my biggest creative passion.........

Still I have good hope for mankind and its behaviour and are really looking forward to the release of the new album "Visions from the spiral generator" I think it have a real honest feeling about it rather stepping back than towards comercialism, it's just pure emotions straight from the soul, body, mind and the universe..........................take care!!!

mrV
 
No, I did'nt say that the record company don't pay me(I used the word company as a general term) they pay what they are obligated to pay, but as they have a hard time to spread legal copies it just comes down to peanut money....

Of course I understand that people wants to listen to some samples before they buy the actual album, but I think every band have legal mp3 songs/samples on their site, just for that purpose

By spreading illegal material you just don't violate business laws, personally I think you violate the unwritten laws of artristy...but maybe I'm too naive...in theese days respect for others and their work seems to be abscent.

I hope you all don't take this wrong, but if everybody just acted respectfully I could go on composing and sharing my vision with the world, sadlly that is hardly an option right now.

And with working in the "normal" work field, live performances just goes down the drain, which company is willing to give me free time for a month several times a year??

So I'm not wining about I don't have a million $ on my account, I'm just explaning how hard it's nowdays in metal industry from a band perspective, and the fact that I'm so sad spirutually that my time will be very limited for my biggest creative passion.........

Still I have good hope for mankind and its behaviour and are really looking forward to the release of the new album "Visions from the spiral generator" I think it have a real honest feeling about it rather stepping back than towards comercialism, it's just pure emotions straight from the soul, body, mind and the universe..........................take care!!!

Eh, I personally download MP3's off audiogalaxy, and I find it helpful to see which albums I want to buy. After a month or so of having the mp3, if I don't decide to buy the album I just delete the mp3's. If it weren't for audiogalaxy, I would have to rely on word of mouth and reviews to find bands to listen to, and frankly, if that's all I had, I'd probably have no interest in music right now. I found all but a few bands I listen to from downloading mp3's, and i've gone on to buy their albums, including yours :)

The people who ONLY listen to the mp3's with no intention of buying the albums are the ones who are hurting you :D
 
Originally posted by Oyo
The people who ONLY listen to the mp3's with no intention of buying the albums are the ones who are hurting you :D

May I add that those are also the people who never
buy any albums anyway? I have friends who have
never bought a music cd in their life, and never will.
Listening to music at parties, on the radio etc is
enough for them... And also, borowing my cd's >:eek:P
 
Well, I still respect your views, mr V, although I know that at least every fan you have in a radius of 60km from where I am sitting now, have bought several of your albums, and they had never gotten to hear about you without MP3's. It's a shame that some people sit back with MP3's or burned CD's, I have no respect for them, because of the fact that you and other artists can hardly make a living.
So yeah, technically, you could call me a criminal, but the only MP3's I have on my computer that I haven't bought later, is that of millionare bands like, uhm, can't tell, they'll just sue me. And they do not need my 20$.
 
Very well said Mr. V. And I usually always buy albums from bands, unless I didn't like what I heard. But I understand what you mean. I hate when people burn our CDs after we spent our time recording them. It costs money for us to make the CDs for them. Although we still don't have a record company, we're barely surviving. Even if our parents are willing to help us. Some people just gotta realize that artists struggle to survive to make people happy. But I definitely agree with you.
 
Originally posted by Vintersorg
Places like Audiogalaxy are the artifacts that make you now and then considering leaving the music business, fuck... I work 24 h with composing and still can't even go to the pub for a beer, at the end sadly everything comes down to money...and music don't give me any...so just releasing album after album really tear you to pieces....just imagine yourself working the whole month and at the end of the month your boss/company refuse to pay you for all that work...Mankind is truly heading for downfall!!!!!!

mr V

I can truly appreciate your dilemma Vintersorg; but I think many, if not MOST of your fans will feel the same way I do. Someone here posted something about discovering bands thanks to AG (or places like it). And it's true. I read about your band, download a couple tracks and like them very much. So I go out and purchase your albums. I have always and will always support the bands that deserve it, namely by BUYING actual copies of their records. I'm well aware that every single album sold means something to the artist and I support that. However, on the other side, places like AG prevent me from pissing $12-$20 into the wind just to "hear what a band sounds like."

I realize not everyone has this attitude about downloading music, but many, many do.
 
I started using AG as soon as I got an Internet-connection to my computer, and it has made me a lot more music-interested.

Before AG I hardly listened to any music at all (except Metallica, which was the only metal-band in the local music store, and a 2-hour radio-show a week called Roxrevyen), but after getting some samples and stuff from different bands on AG, I have bought as many albums I can afford, including 2 albums of Vintersorg.

I honestly think that AG helps boosting your royalties, Vintersorg.
 
I understand it's really hard to live off music now that the internet has become a huge monster, but as most people already have said it, if it wasn't for it we probably wouldn't know about Vintersorg especially us who live apart from everything.

It really makes me angry when I hear people say things like 'who cares about the covers, I prefer getting 5 cd-r's than just one original'. It's really sad to know that people take music for granted and don't really really appreciate all the hard work it takes. We aren't really conscious of it.

I admit there's lots of albums I haven't bought but downloaded and the only reason is that i have no hope of finding them here in Chile. I try to buy most of the albums I want.. but sometimes it's just impossible :cry:
 
with metal, though, this is a basic scenario: 10 people dowload the songs and buy the albums...twenty people then burn those.....Now you could argue that because more people burned them, MP3's are a bad thing, but then you could also argue that the original 10 would never have heard about the artist, and thusly the artist would have sold ten less records......for example I just downloaded a crapload of Anorexia Nervosa songs...I now have the albums on order at the store and am picking them up tomorrow....I NEVER would have heard the band otherwise, and don't buy albums just "to hear what they sound like", so they have now sold two more albums than they would have w/out MP3's...
 
I agree with most people here. Audiogalaxy is useful for kwoning bands and I know that many metal fans know their favorite bands of places like this. But there are also too many people who don't buy their album then so I agree with mr. V too! When I got a cd-writer I copy cd's too but since a long time I only buy original stuff because I realize that support great musicians as Vintersorg is important.:) So I have all his albums and side projecs original:)
 
Originally posted by astarte
It's really sad to know that people take music for granted and don't really really appreciate all the hard work it takes. We aren't really conscious of it.

Well, these people are the people who don't live off
of music, like you and me! >:eek:P While I am getting
ready to buy the new Vintersorg album two months
before it's out they go out shopping something else.
It's all about interest and hobbys... We're all different.

Having a HUGE cd collection is my goal in life!! lol. I
want mine to be three times bigger than Lee B's
(for all you opethforumers! hehe) >:eek:P
 
Hope that all you people don't get the wrong impression about me, being a cheap guy!!!! I'm not looking for fame and fortune, it just comes down to the fact that I like composing and writing, trying somewhat to inspire and influence people, widening their perspective upon music, lyrics...well, just say life.

I'm not an agitator with aggresive statments that I need the world to be aware of, but think at least that what we're doing are in a way unique. So our agenda is just dedicated to the enrichment of artristy and life.

But as it doesn't give us any economy we must have other jobs, which of course disturb the creative phase alot,(I'm not a lazy guy that doesn't like to work, fuck, I'm in a constant working process)it make it impossible for touring..etc..you see the point...

when I know that I could go on exploring my vision if everything was correct, compared to this......that's what irritates me. Cause if I was after the money I would shurely not work in metal music.

Ok, this will be my last word on the subject....I just want to say that before burning cd's, just think that it's really alot work behind it, people have drained their souls, empty their minds, probabaly had alot of spiritual conflicts about........over and out

mr V
 
Originally posted by Vintersorg
Hope that all you people don't get the wrong impression about me, being a cheap guy!!!! I'm not looking for fame and fortune, it just comes down to the fact that I like composing and writing, trying somewhat to inspire and influence people, widening their perspective upon music, lyrics...well, just say life.
Well, living in a world where nothing is free, it's understandable. You need money to keep doing what you want to do.

It must be really frustrating knowing that out there there's people taking advantage of your efforts. You put your life into something and somebody else steals it. And for something as rotten as money.

To think that there already are some new songs on AG makes me really mad.
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Aye Vintersorg!

People like you should be paid by the state to do music, like poets did before. But everything has become comercialised to the max. Many artists don't think like you and that's the problem. Maybe in the metal scene many people think like you, but not in the pop and the rock scene...there it's mainly about sex,drugs and alcohol... and the lyrrics, well... mainly just bullshit. :(

Anyway, many of the record companies can only blame themself. If they sold cd's cheaper and gave the artists more money, then more people would have whole hearted bought records.
I get very sad when I hear that great bands just get 5% or 10% of each sold record from the record companies...Fuck it's unfair!!:mad: :mad: :mad:

Well, I've bought all your records so far and will continue with buying good music when I hear it. I look forward for the "Visions.." release, and hope that with this release more people will be interested in your artistry.

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Mail them Vintersorg, and the most popular mp3 provider for the moment will block all Vintersorg transfers... Also mail them your setlist for the next album so all songs will be blocked...
Just a tip. :)