so you're implicitly saying that these bands are too similar to certain albums from the in-crowd canon for this to simply be a matter of taste? idk maybe. i suspect if you named a list of bands from that crowd most of us would have a mixed bag of opinions though. i'm prone toward praising scorned mainstream shit and shitting on beloved staples myself, hence why getting namedropped as the banner figure of this so-called movement automatically makes me dubious about the legitimacy of the whole thing. i don't even like sabbat (uk) or heathen much, you should pretty much be high fiving me m8