Dakryn said:
/facepalm. Handouts are carrots. Maybe history is your forte, but general psych and anthropology isn't. Positive/negative reinforcement, etc.
I was actually a physical anthro major before my switch into Philosophy and Genetics - so, yeah it kind of is my forte. I haven't heard it called "carrots" before, probably because it's a stupid term and it takes barely any effort to say "handouts" when compared to "carrots".
Dakryn said:
What I was referring to was government projects and inner city ghettos being de facto prisons due to government handouts. The black population was kept culturally isolated to the less desirable areas and living in poor conditions by offering it to them cheap/free.
Which I mention, you probably didn't notice that because I didn't yell it out - if you read the cocaine portion of my last post you can see it is the underlying foundation (tags: socioeconomic, judicial, price of crack, etc.) - granted though I didn't stress this as a main point as I focused on the fucked aspect of blacks and the rate of crime, so it's not like I would expect anyone to dig for that information I stated. Again, I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with you and if you read my post you would have seen the point easy enough.
Dakryn said:
Don't get me started on the War on Drugs, which is just as much bullshit as every other nebulous enemy we went to "war" against (Poverty, Drugs, Terror, etc.).
Yeah, not going to bother starting that argument because I agree.
2. That whatever building of the Us/southern economy was done on the backs of the black plantation slave labor was mostly destroyed during the Civil War and afterwards during the Reconstruction.
It wasn't mostly destroyed, it wasn't destroyed at all. Hell, in the 40's (and about half a century prior to that) when Florida was erasing its swampland to make way for citrus and sugarcane groves, they (private companies) used ad campaigns to attract black farmhands from across the nation. They did this by promising a high wage (
$3-$6 + paid travel) and "Florida sunshine in the winter months". When they got there they were only paid on average $1.80 and became indentured servants because they were charged for everything they needed (food, lodging, travel, etc). Then, when they tried to escape they were rounded up, beaten, and made examples of. To top it off even further, the native blacks were rounded up under one law passed during WWII that was basically known as the "idle negro" law, as cops would pick up any black man who was not breaking his back while working and then force them to work on their own private farms to work off the fine (usually $25). Here is an example during WWII when people were rounding up blacks and turning them into slaves for the benefit of the economy - it wasn't done by the government (this was the result of private companies), but the government held a blind eye for a long time. Then when the government did get involved and got a court case, the company heads were acquitted. The obvious point here is that plantation slave labor never died.
Dakryn said:
The very things being asked for and being provided as "recompense" are the very things keeping the black population down. Their is no personal conflict of ideas to resolve. The government is keeping them perpetually "in the corner" by treating them as the eternal "sick/special child".
This looks like it is leading to an affirmative action argument because of all the shit that is intertwined with it on all aspects of society. We've seen these arguments before on here and let's face it there is no need to go back into that territory. I'll leave that to Cookie, V5 and Dodens - as last time I remember they were the one's who started that debate.
Dakryn said:
What I generally got out of your entire post is that:
A. You don't particularly like me so you gloss over what I write and then attack a lot of stuff I don't even say, but that you assume I mean.
B. You want me to spend days and days digging up shit I haven't read in years and then spend more days posting books worth of information on the internet.
It ain't going to happen. I don't have the time. I also won't do a bunch of copy and pasting for people who will just discount my sources because their favorite highschool/college teacher never mentioned it.
There is plenty of information on both (or more) sides of any issue, and it is on the individual to go find it.
One, I don't give a shit about you, just like I expect you not to give a shit about me. You're an internet poster, and if I gave a shit about making you feel like a child you would know it. What I care about is the misrepresentation of data and knowledge, and that is the only reason I have been arguing with you. I read what you write, and I attack it; sometimes I am hasty, but I always return to see if I took something out of context from you - newsflash, I haven't. I've agreed with you, and I've disagreed with you - neither of those actions mean I give a shit about you though (and I expect the same feelings to be reciprocated).
Also, I don't give a shit about you spending days and days to dig up research. I have all of my research on hand, and most of it I don't need a source to recall (except for specific titles of articles). My post took me maybe ten minutes, so if you think I wasted time replying to you, well, you're wrong.
Oh yeah, cheap potshot at the highschool/college crap. Maybe I can make a laughable attack and anything you've been a part of: the military, some school or uni, the pregnancy of your sister, etc. Many people can be educated and never have even attended the shit institutions America or any other nation provides.
