Exactly...........my thoughts!Atropos said:
"Death"............................."What all of you know 'bout Death?"
Chilren Of Bodom........
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"Death"............................."What all of you know 'bout Death?"
Darthlardo
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Here we go...
A few of you (like DE) have reiterated what I've been trying to say the whole time, which is good (as long as you saw what I meant)... that the genre doesn't matter... it's metal, it's music, it's a lot of fun. That's it.
However, one of you has said one of the most depressing things I've ever heard. It had to come from the paragon of perception, MindInsane, of course (a dear old friend of mine). She said, and I quote 'don't patronize us by telling us you are pleased to see us expanding our musical horizons...it appears to me that we listen to more genres than you do, "I don't care to listen to any Death metal"' end quote. You've definitely outdone yourself. I thought you said stupid things before, but this is simply incredible! I listen to metal, yes, not death metal, but lots of metal, and rock, and such. And I listen to jazz... and blues... from all eras, from it's conception to today. I also love big band music, and countless amounts of classical music, too... among other things. Now - I apologize in advance, but it REALLY has to be said - some ignorant fuck starts telling me that they listen to more genres than me because, and only because, I don't care to listen to any death metal. I'm not even going to begin to explain how I used to like death metal, but grew very very tired of it, and moved on (imo) to better things. I'm not going to speak any more on this matter at all. What you've said has spoken more than I ever could. I took this long to respond only because I was stunned by the concentrated ignorance that must lie within the mind of MindInsane. I was trying to think of what to say, but I realized that (HOPEFULLY) nothing really needed to be said... but this -is- the Testament board, which definitely doesn't have a good track record with intelligence in my book, mostly (but not all) because of idiots like Hannibal666 or whatever he was called trying to turn it into a political fucking forum or something. So I've said what I wanted to say about this (part of the) matter, which was a lot less than I was going to say.
About the interview. Yes, I'm well aware of Alexi's words. I used to like this band a bit too much, so much that I actually transcribed what the hell he was saying, so of course I would read interviews of him. He has said countless times that there is an element of death and black metal in his music, esp. in the beginning, as well as thrash, speed, and power metal, punk (the most underestimated factor in CoB I think), and more. So, my question is, how do all of these lump together into "melodic death metal"? There is no answer, so please don't try. It's yet another stupid word in a huge family of stupid words that only do justice to bands that are hardly bands (if you know what I mean, good; if not, too bad). To me, Dying Fetus and Cryptopsy pop into my head when I think of death metal. I don't care if these are the proper labels for them. The important part is, when I think of death metal, do I think of Children of Bodom? Do you? When I think of melodic death metal, I think of old In Flames. I suppose, then, therein lies the problem, since many of you (disturbingly) seem to think old In Flames is like Children of Bodom. I'm curious, do you mean the Jester Race or Lunar Strain? I hope you don't mean Lunar Strain, and I hope even more you don't mean Whoracle. Ah, I'm rambling on, not a very good habit for message boards. I probably lost most people back in the second paragraph.
Call it metal, or don't call it anything at all. As I mentioned before on the CoB board, if you really MUST label them, that 'metal' is lacking in some way to describe them, call them bodometal, or something. Sheesh. Well, I'm done here, I guess. Hopefully. Although many times on this board I thought there was nothing more to be said, and someone's said something so truly ignorant that I must -try- and make something clear (although it feels like an uphill battle, that's for sure), just like on Dec 7...
Oh, one more thing... Darthlardo said that he likes the goofy lyrics... as do I. And also that all their cds have a different sound, which I wholeheartedly agree, although unfortunately this is also not a commonly held view (at least among you guys). Anyways, a lot of metal bands have a cynicism and self-depreciating view of things that is great fun to explore. In fact, the entire world's attitude needs to be shifted to a more "metal attitude" imo. Although not in the direction that people are in who think all of their cds sound the same. :b
A few of you (like DE) have reiterated what I've been trying to say the whole time, which is good (as long as you saw what I meant)... that the genre doesn't matter... it's metal, it's music, it's a lot of fun. That's it.
However, one of you has said one of the most depressing things I've ever heard. It had to come from the paragon of perception, MindInsane, of course (a dear old friend of mine). She said, and I quote 'don't patronize us by telling us you are pleased to see us expanding our musical horizons...it appears to me that we listen to more genres than you do, "I don't care to listen to any Death metal"' end quote. You've definitely outdone yourself. I thought you said stupid things before, but this is simply incredible! I listen to metal, yes, not death metal, but lots of metal, and rock, and such. And I listen to jazz... and blues... from all eras, from it's conception to today. I also love big band music, and countless amounts of classical music, too... among other things. Now - I apologize in advance, but it REALLY has to be said - some ignorant fuck starts telling me that they listen to more genres than me because, and only because, I don't care to listen to any death metal. I'm not even going to begin to explain how I used to like death metal, but grew very very tired of it, and moved on (imo) to better things. I'm not going to speak any more on this matter at all. What you've said has spoken more than I ever could. I took this long to respond only because I was stunned by the concentrated ignorance that must lie within the mind of MindInsane. I was trying to think of what to say, but I realized that (HOPEFULLY) nothing really needed to be said... but this -is- the Testament board, which definitely doesn't have a good track record with intelligence in my book, mostly (but not all) because of idiots like Hannibal666 or whatever he was called trying to turn it into a political fucking forum or something. So I've said what I wanted to say about this (part of the) matter, which was a lot less than I was going to say.
About the interview. Yes, I'm well aware of Alexi's words. I used to like this band a bit too much, so much that I actually transcribed what the hell he was saying, so of course I would read interviews of him. He has said countless times that there is an element of death and black metal in his music, esp. in the beginning, as well as thrash, speed, and power metal, punk (the most underestimated factor in CoB I think), and more. So, my question is, how do all of these lump together into "melodic death metal"? There is no answer, so please don't try. It's yet another stupid word in a huge family of stupid words that only do justice to bands that are hardly bands (if you know what I mean, good; if not, too bad). To me, Dying Fetus and Cryptopsy pop into my head when I think of death metal. I don't care if these are the proper labels for them. The important part is, when I think of death metal, do I think of Children of Bodom? Do you? When I think of melodic death metal, I think of old In Flames. I suppose, then, therein lies the problem, since many of you (disturbingly) seem to think old In Flames is like Children of Bodom. I'm curious, do you mean the Jester Race or Lunar Strain? I hope you don't mean Lunar Strain, and I hope even more you don't mean Whoracle. Ah, I'm rambling on, not a very good habit for message boards. I probably lost most people back in the second paragraph.
Call it metal, or don't call it anything at all. As I mentioned before on the CoB board, if you really MUST label them, that 'metal' is lacking in some way to describe them, call them bodometal, or something. Sheesh. Well, I'm done here, I guess. Hopefully. Although many times on this board I thought there was nothing more to be said, and someone's said something so truly ignorant that I must -try- and make something clear (although it feels like an uphill battle, that's for sure), just like on Dec 7...
Oh, one more thing... Darthlardo said that he likes the goofy lyrics... as do I. And also that all their cds have a different sound, which I wholeheartedly agree, although unfortunately this is also not a commonly held view (at least among you guys). Anyways, a lot of metal bands have a cynicism and self-depreciating view of things that is great fun to explore. In fact, the entire world's attitude needs to be shifted to a more "metal attitude" imo. Although not in the direction that people are in who think all of their cds sound the same. :b
MindInsane
From the vastly deep
However, one of you has said one of the most depressing things I've ever heard. It had to come from the paragon of perception, MindInsane, of course (a dear old friend of mine). She said, and I quote 'don't patronize us by telling us you are pleased to see us expanding our musical horizons...it appears to me that we listen to more genres than you do, "I don't care to listen to any Death metal"' end quote.
Well Stun...sorry if that comment hurt your feelings, but you are the one coming in here and acting like you are so advanced in your musical tastes. You come across as though you think everyone on the Testament board are hopelessly stuck in an old school vacuume and will never be able to "expand their musical horizons" and listen to other genres. Please give us a break and realize that we do listen to other things besides thrash.
You've definitely outdone yourself. I thought you said stupid things before, but this is simply incredible! I listen to metal, yes, not death metal, but lots of metal, and rock, and such. And I listen to jazz... and blues... from all eras, from it's conception to today. I also love big band music, and countless amounts of classical music, too... among other things. Now - I apologize in advance, but it REALLY has to be said - some ignorant fuck starts telling me that they listen to more genres than me because, and only because, I don't care to listen to any death metal. I'm not even going to begin to explain how I used to like death metal, but grew very very tired of it, and moved on (imo) to better things. I'm not going to speak any more on this matter at all. What you've said has spoken more than I ever could. I took this long to respond only because I was stunned by the concentrated ignorance that must lie within the mind of MindInsane. I was trying to think of what to say, but I realized that (HOPEFULLY) nothing really needed to be said.
Jesus Christ you fucking drama queen. What gave you the indication that I actually give a shit about what your little 18 year old ass thinks of me? You are absolutely having a melt down in your post, were you crying too?? Because there's enough emotion in that to launch the fucking Titanic. I think Doden's Grav said it all, You ARE blowing this out of proportion!
.. but this -is- the Testament board, which definitely doesn't have a good track record with intelligence in my book, mostly (but not all) because of idiots like Hannibal666 or whatever he was called trying to turn it into a political fucking forum or something. So I've said what I wanted to say about this (part of the) matter, which was a lot less than I was going to say.
The Testament board doesn't have a good track record with intelligence, MindInsane is a stupid ignorant fuck, Stun is the be-all-end-all of musical genius, everything he says is the way it is and there's really no need to either question or disagree (note the name calling at the beginning of this) Stun has out grown Death Metal, Concentrated ignorance (good one) let's see, Stun listens to all forms of music...oh yea, and if you want to hear some real "thinking man's" music check out stun's songs on his link, I think one of the songs is entitled, "Concentrated Ignorance"
Well...that about summarizes Stun's post, nice insults, very well thought out and used correctly...impressive!
Well Stun...sorry if that comment hurt your feelings, but you are the one coming in here and acting like you are so advanced in your musical tastes. You come across as though you think everyone on the Testament board are hopelessly stuck in an old school vacuume and will never be able to "expand their musical horizons" and listen to other genres. Please give us a break and realize that we do listen to other things besides thrash.
You've definitely outdone yourself. I thought you said stupid things before, but this is simply incredible! I listen to metal, yes, not death metal, but lots of metal, and rock, and such. And I listen to jazz... and blues... from all eras, from it's conception to today. I also love big band music, and countless amounts of classical music, too... among other things. Now - I apologize in advance, but it REALLY has to be said - some ignorant fuck starts telling me that they listen to more genres than me because, and only because, I don't care to listen to any death metal. I'm not even going to begin to explain how I used to like death metal, but grew very very tired of it, and moved on (imo) to better things. I'm not going to speak any more on this matter at all. What you've said has spoken more than I ever could. I took this long to respond only because I was stunned by the concentrated ignorance that must lie within the mind of MindInsane. I was trying to think of what to say, but I realized that (HOPEFULLY) nothing really needed to be said.
Jesus Christ you fucking drama queen. What gave you the indication that I actually give a shit about what your little 18 year old ass thinks of me? You are absolutely having a melt down in your post, were you crying too?? Because there's enough emotion in that to launch the fucking Titanic. I think Doden's Grav said it all, You ARE blowing this out of proportion!
.. but this -is- the Testament board, which definitely doesn't have a good track record with intelligence in my book, mostly (but not all) because of idiots like Hannibal666 or whatever he was called trying to turn it into a political fucking forum or something. So I've said what I wanted to say about this (part of the) matter, which was a lot less than I was going to say.
The Testament board doesn't have a good track record with intelligence, MindInsane is a stupid ignorant fuck, Stun is the be-all-end-all of musical genius, everything he says is the way it is and there's really no need to either question or disagree (note the name calling at the beginning of this) Stun has out grown Death Metal, Concentrated ignorance (good one) let's see, Stun listens to all forms of music...oh yea, and if you want to hear some real "thinking man's" music check out stun's songs on his link, I think one of the songs is entitled, "Concentrated Ignorance"
Well...that about summarizes Stun's post, nice insults, very well thought out and used correctly...impressive!
Another winner from MI... I'll really try to make this short, but it'll probably end up being long.
You presume much about me, and I presume nothing about you, but you presume that I presume... hmm, a deadlock. Oh well. Just so you know, whether you believe me or not, I did not try to be superior to you or your intelligence... and I will avoid the obvious joke therein. Ignorance is another matter. I spoke from past experience as well as fresh when I called you ignorant. In my mind it is now nearly cemented that you are such. Sorry to use this term again, but from past experience, this board has the most concentrated ignorance I've ever seen... I call em as I see em, and will refine what I call according to new information.
You say I come across as being advanced in musical tastes... another deadlock here, because many of you come across as being stuck in an old-school vacuum. I'm sure you do listen to other things besides thrash. However, you said something very stupid, and it made it sound like you don't listen to anything but tr00 metal or something (a feeling I get very often here). And yes, I -have- outgrown death metal... to be more precise, MY definition of death metal. Which is of course the whole issue at hand (and as far as I can rememeber always has been the issue, not with me but with every problem I've seen on this board): people getting tangled up in labels and opinions and start throwing "facts" around. I try to avoid that but I'm sure I've done my share of it, as have we all.
Drama queen... whatever. Words are words. I say what I think needs to be said, in response to other people who think they are saying what needs to be said. Wow looks like another deadlock. You say that I am emotional, yet attack my music, make up ridiculously bad insults about it, etc... if I was emotional, I would've used emoticons.
To Doden: CoB is not my fav band anymore... and I don't believe they created their own subgenre of metal... however, you must understand that CoB is not melodic death metal. They are whatever they want to be, and we call can call them as we wish. You believe they belong under that label, and I believe they don't belong under that label... but it's completely irrelevant (well not really, considering the context of this "discussion"; exactly what I didn't want to get into, but lo). Opinions are opinions. I call them metal, always have, always will. From what I've seen, tho, not many bands sound like them, at least not when CoB were new. They may not have done anything "new", but imo they have created a combination not easily duplicated. That cannot be said about many metal bands.
Phew, all this talk about "melodic death metal" reminds me of hearing "weapons of mass destruction" all the time. If there's any hope for humanity, you'll have seen what I mean by now, regardless of what you think of me or my goddamn essays (I don't ever mean them to be this long)...
You presume much about me, and I presume nothing about you, but you presume that I presume... hmm, a deadlock. Oh well. Just so you know, whether you believe me or not, I did not try to be superior to you or your intelligence... and I will avoid the obvious joke therein. Ignorance is another matter. I spoke from past experience as well as fresh when I called you ignorant. In my mind it is now nearly cemented that you are such. Sorry to use this term again, but from past experience, this board has the most concentrated ignorance I've ever seen... I call em as I see em, and will refine what I call according to new information.
You say I come across as being advanced in musical tastes... another deadlock here, because many of you come across as being stuck in an old-school vacuum. I'm sure you do listen to other things besides thrash. However, you said something very stupid, and it made it sound like you don't listen to anything but tr00 metal or something (a feeling I get very often here). And yes, I -have- outgrown death metal... to be more precise, MY definition of death metal. Which is of course the whole issue at hand (and as far as I can rememeber always has been the issue, not with me but with every problem I've seen on this board): people getting tangled up in labels and opinions and start throwing "facts" around. I try to avoid that but I'm sure I've done my share of it, as have we all.
Drama queen... whatever. Words are words. I say what I think needs to be said, in response to other people who think they are saying what needs to be said. Wow looks like another deadlock. You say that I am emotional, yet attack my music, make up ridiculously bad insults about it, etc... if I was emotional, I would've used emoticons.
To Doden: CoB is not my fav band anymore... and I don't believe they created their own subgenre of metal... however, you must understand that CoB is not melodic death metal. They are whatever they want to be, and we call can call them as we wish. You believe they belong under that label, and I believe they don't belong under that label... but it's completely irrelevant (well not really, considering the context of this "discussion"; exactly what I didn't want to get into, but lo). Opinions are opinions. I call them metal, always have, always will. From what I've seen, tho, not many bands sound like them, at least not when CoB were new. They may not have done anything "new", but imo they have created a combination not easily duplicated. That cannot be said about many metal bands.
Phew, all this talk about "melodic death metal" reminds me of hearing "weapons of mass destruction" all the time.
If there's any hope for humanity, you'll have seen what I mean by now, regardless of what you think of me or my goddamn essays (I don't ever mean them to be this long)...Sorry, I cant help my self.
"Arguing on the Internet is like running in the special olympics. Even if you win, your still retarded."
"Arguing on the Internet is like running in the special olympics. Even if you win, your still retarded."
Haha... as you can imagine, I've heard that one before.
Hmm, I wouldn't call that an argument. I wouldn't even say that arguments can be won, at least over the internet. I say it isn't an argument unless it's about to come to blows. Pretty difficult over the internet... that was more like a bandying of words, or a negotiation. Like most negotiations, it was just a front for some/anything else. I believe it worked quite well.
Hmm, I wouldn't call that an argument. I wouldn't even say that arguments can be won, at least over the internet. I say it isn't an argument unless it's about to come to blows. Pretty difficult over the internet... that was more like a bandying of words, or a negotiation.
Like most negotiations, it was just a front for some/anything else. I believe it worked quite well. Stun, stop acting like a pompous little prick and pull your head out of your ass.... your little superiority complex is out of whack. You're the last person that should be calling anyone "ignorant" or questioning their intelligence. We covered it last time, that you really have no great life experience to speak of, and have no rhyme or reason to even assume that you're in anyway, shape or form better than anyone here.
And if you truly find the ignorance here to be so *concentrated* as you like to put it...... go someplace else. Its that simple. Otherwise shut up and get over yourself you little egomaniac.
And if you truly find the ignorance here to be so *concentrated* as you like to put it...... go someplace else. Its that simple. Otherwise shut up and get over yourself you little egomaniac.
Dodens Grav said:
I have to agree with DG..........COB is definately Melodic Death Metal........I think I should know, it's my favorite type of Metal........Bar none!
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However, one of you has said one of the most depressing things I've ever heard. It had to come from the paragon of perception, MindInsane, of course (a dear old friend of mine).
but this -is- the Testament board, which definitely doesn't have a good track record with intelligence in my book, mostly (but not all) because of idiots like Hannibal666 or whatever he was called trying to turn it into a political fucking orum or something.
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If thats one of the most depressing things you've ever heard, then you've had a pretty easy, and still young life.........But Paragon Of Perception, now thats a cute name for her.......but she is old enough to be your Mother, so be nice & respectful to your elders........And I have to disagree, about the intelligence of this board, most people here are intelligent, and know what they are talking about.......in fact Hannibal666.......is a metal expert........even has his own board, & puts out one of the best Metal Video Magizines ever made.......and helped me with Thrash Of The Titans.....his name: Jerry Allen......Tales From The Pit.....Metal Tycoon, himself!......He can get under your skin, & has rattled you a bit, no doubt!
However, one of you has said one of the most depressing things I've ever heard. It had to come from the paragon of perception, MindInsane, of course (a dear old friend of mine).
but this -is- the Testament board, which definitely doesn't have a good track record with intelligence in my book, mostly (but not all) because of idiots like Hannibal666 or whatever he was called trying to turn it into a political fucking orum or something.
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If thats one of the most depressing things you've ever heard, then you've had a pretty easy, and still young life.........But Paragon Of Perception, now thats a cute name for her.......but she is old enough to be your Mother, so be nice & respectful to your elders........And I have to disagree, about the intelligence of this board, most people here are intelligent, and know what they are talking about.......in fact Hannibal666.......is a metal expert........even has his own board, & puts out one of the best Metal Video Magizines ever made.......and helped me with Thrash Of The Titans.....his name: Jerry Allen......Tales From The Pit.....Metal Tycoon, himself!......He can get under your skin, & has rattled you a bit, no doubt!
pest666 said:
It's cause of posts like yours that I think this board is so full of ignorance (along with idiots like Hannibal). Did you even read what I said, or did you just glance and come to your own conclusions? Hhahahah covered this last time?? Uuuuuuh oookay... heh maybe in your opinion. I don't even remember what you're talking about, and I dont care.
I honestly, from the bottom my heart, hate to sound like a pompous prick, but I've experienced more than you'll ever know. But that's not a good thing most of the time, so don't feel threatened. Since you've missed the mind-boggingly obvious point I've made - opinions are opinions, and that this was n e v e r about intelligence - or perhaps decided to say this anyways...... I'll leave that unifinished and let you come to your own conclusions and opinions. I will say this: I have no ego to speak of. I am a mote. You are a mote. I can see that you have a bit of an ego that was obviously threatened at one point by me, maybe from past incidences, or this one. Ah, in any event, seeya later.
Krigloch the Furious
Pants full of poo
hahaha you idiots are bitching about worthless shit while im listening to ALL METAL and enjoying and not giving a shit. Bring on the funny, stupid lyrics. and bring on the "im gonna eat your intestines" lyrics. If the music is good, and the singer is decent I will listen to it. so fuck you all, my head is a banging!!!
Krigloch the Furious
Pants full of poo
Hey, did anyone notice the two opening measures on the solo on Triple Corpse Hammerblow is almost identical to R. Rhoad's Over the Mountain? That's damn near the most obvious example of similarity between metal solos I've ever heard. I like it.
It's amazing to me, as a non-musician, that people can create all this new sounding metal every day with the same basic instrument.
It's amazing to me, as a non-musician, that people can create all this new sounding metal every day with the same basic instrument.
Hey that's a new one... I knew of several melodies that CoB had "borrowed' from other bands, but not that one.
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You're a moron, aren't you? I'm not even a fan of COB, but where the fuck did you get that term of ''fake melodies''?_SLAYERIZED_ said:
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