Classics Reborn

[Slammed]

Record deals are worth different to different bands but even in the day when I once read the odd contract they were a nightmare to read. Obviously the record companies want to make money and like any manager they want their blood from every band they sign but with actual record sales dropping as far as they have it's not surprising they make so much more off touring where the record labels have less control. In this country if you're registered with the Aust recording industry you get paid a small fee for every song of your own, or other Australian artist you play on stage. It's only small change but it's the kind of small change the record companies don't get their grubby hands on. And that's just one way to make a few extra bucks so on stage is always going to be worth more than a few album sales.

Alternatively every band should just be like Wintersun and beg for their money to make a studio and promise an album that could still turn out to be shit! There was a band from here last year, can't remember the name that said "We want $X a day from our fans so that we can retire from our day jobs and become full time musicians and tour Europe, where we can make more money and then come back and if it's successful we'll record an album." This band had already done two US tours and one European tour and not broken even yet they had the nerve to ask their fans to pay for another holiday.

Some of our play lists match, and I can tolerate more of her music than she can of mine, but hers does get repetitive, however she probably says the same about mine. I had both kids today ask me to put Empire Of The Clouds (Maiden) on in the car on the way to school today.

 

[redfly]

That sounds pretty good even if it's not much. It shows at least some appreciation for music arts. I don't think we have anything like that here. We may have something else but i doubt it lol

Damn, that bands got some nerve huh? Something doesn't sound right there!

Well that's pretty cool if your kids are asking for Maiden! I've tried a few times to get into the new one but I haven't really been able to

 

[Slammed]

Once upon a time all international touring artists here had to have a local support band. It's a big reason why Mortal Sin got as big as they did in a short time, at a time when the likes of Metallica, Megadeth etc toured there wasn't many other bands available to jump on the tours. The AJFA tour pretty much made Mortal Sin a name with every metal head in the country because their name got mentioned in every advert for the Metallica's first OZ tour for 10 months.

Crowdfunding to me is a joke no matter what it's for but when a band actually comes out and says we wont money so we don't have to work it surprises me that anyone actually gave them money. From memory they never got what they asked for but people did give them money. I even know guys who sent money to the Wintersun crowdfunding thing, I just don't understand some people.

I like the second disc of the new Maiden more than I like the first one. Tears Of A Clown and Empire Of The Clouds are great songs but like most of the new Maiden albums BOS took me a few listens to get into.

 

[Slammed]

I know it's probably a bit of a cash grab to release shit after the death of band member but I'm kind of looking forward to the new Motorhead covers album. I've always been a fan of Motorhead and even Lemmy's side projects and although there only one unreleased song on it they do a pretty mean over, especially live.
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/motorhead-to-release-under-cover-in-september/

 

[redfly]

Once upon a time all international touring artists here had to have a local support band. It's a big reason why Mortal Sin got as big as they did in a short time, at a time when the likes of Metallica, Megadeth etc toured there wasn't many other bands available to jump on the tours. The AJFA tour pretty much made Mortal Sin a name with every metal head in the country because their name got mentioned in every advert for the Metallica's first OZ tour for 10 months.

Crowdfunding to me is a joke no matter what it's for but when a band actually comes out and says we wont money so we don't have to work it surprises me that anyone actually gave them money. From memory they never got what they asked for but people did give them money. I even know guys who sent money to the Wintersun crowdfunding thing, I just don't understand some people.

I like the second disc of the new Maiden more than I like the first one. Tears Of A Clown and Empire Of The Clouds are great songs but like most of the new Maiden albums BOS took me a few listens to get into.

I don't know if I've done crowdfunduing before. I did participate in the Pledge campaign for Flotsam and Jetsam but for that it was more like a pre order and you could get autographed things and other cool stuff. I got my name in the credits of Ugly Noise. All the money went to the making of the album except a percentage that went to a childrens charity. I guess for me it would depend on the band. Megadeth also went through Pledge Music and they damn sure don't need the money for making an album. And they promised all this access and exclusive stuff. It was a joke, the videos were really lame and pointless. And our exclusive stuff ended up on youtube as well as being posted to Pledge.Oh and when they first had the preorder, Dystopia had all the tacks plus the bonus tracks from all the imports and songs that went on special store versions. So for $50 I pre ordered that.
Then a month after the campaign started they changed it and took off four tracks. Pretty fucked up. But it was autographed by everyone even Chris from LOG so that consoles me lol. but I still had to buy more than one version of the album to get more tracks and I still don't have them all.

 

[Slammed]

I've never given a band money for anything other than the CD/merchandise I get in my hand. No one pays me an advance fee to turn up to their house in the hope I can fix their computer. I don't pay a tradesman a fee in case I want his services. I pay for product and no band will ever get advance money out of me for an album given I might like the band but I may not like their next album.

I don't even pre-order albums before they come out. I don't need an album on the day it's released, I don't need it before everyone else. I also wont buy an album without previewing at least a few songs. I know guys who hang out on those 'leaked' sites just so they can listen to the album several days before they can actually buy it. I guess in my old age I'm just not impatient enough. I pay enough for music I don't need to pay more to get extras or get to hear it first.

 

[redfly]

Yeah...things work differently in different fields lol you pay for concert and movie tickets before you see the show don't you? Nobody is forcing anyone and you can get cool stuff.

I almost never listen to spoilers. Unless it's a band that is very inconsistent. Or it's a new band. But my regular bands? I have no fear and i want the entire album to hit me new so i can just drawn in it.

 

[Slammed]

I pay for a ticket to see the show because I've got the album and I want to see the band play those songs, there is bad gigs but I already know what to expect because I've seen videos and heard the songs. I don't know what's going to be on a CD of new music and therefore I wont pay for it in advance. Most music shops in this country let you listen to music before you buy it as well so even if you can't get stuff on youtube you can preview the album.

I don't trust any band to come up with an album I like. Tastes change, bands progress, just because I like something a band did last year doesn't mean I'll like what they come up with next. Even with a band like Iron Maiden where I own every album, and every box set I wont buy their new stuff without at least hearing some of it. I also didn't go and see them on their Somewhere In Time Tour a few years back because it was basically a greatest hits tour and I'd seen the majority of the songs live before.

 

[Slammed]

I'm not much into re-issues and re-masters but there is some darn good albums on this list here.
http://bravewords.com/features/cum-...tic-frost-voivod-helloween-catalog-celebrated

Apart from Sinner and Kamelot at least one album of all the bands listed there are on high rotation in my place.

 

[redfly]

Haha! I'll by albums just out of support. Like Overkill, I probably like 1 in 3 of their albums but I'm still a first day buyer. Testament i like everything so i don't need to hear anything first

 

[redfly]

That is a good list

 

[Slammed]

Haha! I'll by albums just out of support. Like Overkill, I probably like 1 in 3 of their albums but I'm still a first day buyer. Testament i like everything so i don't need to hear anything first

I couldn't afford to be a first day buyer of every band I like because I like way to many so I prefer the preview path and only buy those that I really like.

That is a good list

It seems there is some holes in the middle of a few of those bands discos though. Kreator went through a real iffy stage where I couldn't listen to them. Vivod was the same. Running Wild went through a stage where I think most people thought they were dead. But some of those early albums are great albums.

 

[redfly]

That's a good point. You like way more bands than me lol

I noticed some holes too. Most likely the late 90s early 00's lol big surprise!

 

[Slammed]

Oh yeah there was a woeful period of time for a lot of bands between the late 90's and early 00's

 

[redfly]

Truly awful for some of them! That's one reason i have so much respect for Testament. Against all odds they got heavier and more evil.

 

[redfly]

 

[Slammed]

I think every band has some groaners in their catalogue, whether it be songs or entire albums. The period where Kreator nearly became a dance band was pretty dire and I'm not sure too many bands went to that extreme but it's almost like some bands have to do it. I have no idea why.

 

[redfly]

Wow, I haven't heard that Kreator, that's pretty bad though. I have a lot of albums where I like every song. There are song I like more than others. but I like them all.

 

[Slammed]

Dance music might be a stretching it but they went through a bit of an electronic phase that wasn't them. Viovod did similar. There is plenty of bands that have gone softer, harder or just changed things a bit but Kreator and Viovod were pretty big changes. It's a bit like the Russian band Kruiz. They had one album in the 80's that was pretty darn good speed metal but after break ups and stuff they played just about every genre of music possible without the same success. There was a story going around for a while that they were forced to change from speed metal in the 80's because the Russian government pressured them. Over the years that story has changed a little bit but whatever the truth was they never made another metal album.

 

[redfly]

Ha! that'd be crazy if the Russian Govt pressured them to do that!. It was the 80's so you never know lol
How many albums do you think you have anyway?