Classics Reborn

[Slammed]

Check this demo out. It's not great quality but it's got Ron McGovney on bass and despite what the demo tape says it's Gene Hoglan on drums. Gene was a session drummer for them when the demo was recorded but was not part of the band.

 

[Neptune]

Good riffing going on there,and you’re right it is Hoglan!

http://www.bnrmetal.com/v5/band/band/Phnt

 

[Slammed]

According to Gene he was only on the demo above. The full length album was remastered by a label who brought the rights and remastered the studio demo and added some live tracks. The drummer on the full length album was a guy named Jim Korthe who didn't play with too many other bands.

 

[redfly]

Cool! On the list! Is that the singer from Hirax?

 

[Slammed]

Yep, Hirax, Metallica and Megadeth all in one band.

Of course to make the Megadeth connection you have to believe that Gene swapped drum stools with Lee Rausch, (who played on the Last Rites Demo in 84). Rausch supposedly went to Dark Angel and Gene joined Dave Co. Several sites seem to claim this connection however I've never seen Dave or Gene talk about it and the Dark Angel time line seems to suggest Gene was drummer in 84 after Rausch so the idea that Gene played in Megadeth at all seems loose at best.

 

[TempleOfBlood]

Yeah, that's Katon.

I need to listen to that demo again. It's been years. Didn't stick out to me at the time.

 

[TempleOfBlood]

Yep, Hirax, Metallica and Megadeth all in one band.

Of course to make the Megadeth connection you have to believe that Gene swapped drum stools with Lee Rausch, (who played on the Last Rites Demo in 84). Rausch supposedly went to Dark Angel and Gene joined Dave Co. Several sites seem to claim this connection however I've never seen Dave or Gene talk about it and the Dark Angel time line seems to suggest Gene was drummer in 84 after Rausch so the idea that Gene played in Megadeth at all seems loose at best.

Nah, Rausch and Hoglan swapped places in Wargod and Dark Angel.

I do like that Wargod demo with Hoglan on it quite a bit. Actually both demos, the one with Rausch too.

Rausch actually sounded really good in Megadeth … maybe even better than Gar??? Live bootlegs from that era sound really good IMHO.

I think it's amazing that about a year after Dave was kicked out of Metallica he had most of the next 3 Megadeth albums written.

 

[TempleOfBlood]

I knew Bostaph would be the one to play drums in KK's new project. There are very few players who can play Slayer that well, and already have a track record of being a pro and dependable. Those Slayer audition videos are pretty eye-opening in that very few drummers could really do those songs perfectly.

The big question is vocals. I assumed it would be Phil Anselmo because they are buds but I think Phil is just not reliable or productive enough for KK to put up with.

My predicition: After a couple of albums, opening slots on tours, etc. KK will try to either get Tom back or try to take the "Slayer" band name for himself. I don't think Tom will ever come back.

 

[Slammed]

Nah, Rausch and Hoglan swapped places in Wargod and Dark Angel.

Yes that swap was documented everywhere, it's the theory that Gene played in Megadeth, which while most sites tell us is wrong is documented on a few sites. It's those sites that I find interesting, not because people think they can be proven wrong, but because they got their information from somewhere. I've spent my spare time the last few weeks hunting out different demos, different back stories and different 'facts' about multiple bands and not only has it been interesting it's been fun because there are facts out there which many accept as correct that simply can't be. There is also many people out there who don't want to know their facts are inaccurate.

While Wargod's demo is okay I think what Meldrum did later, which wasn't as heavy but still hard was much better, Gene also kicked arse on the songs he did with her.

 

[TempleOfBlood]

I wish Gene would've joined Megadeth but I don't think they ever played together. The period between Rausch leaving and Gar wasn't that long. I don't really count someone as being in a band unless they've at least played one show or recorded something. I guess a jam is possible but I think Gene would've mentioned it by now if it had ever happened. Gene wasn't into Megadeth's brand of metal at that time though. He was more into stuff like Possessed, Slayer, Sacrilege B.C., etc.

I do think Dave asked probably both the guitarists in Dark Angel to join around this time, as well as it seems most every Bay Area guitarist around that time.

 

[Slammed]

I don't think Tom will ever come back.

Tom's missus says he wont be back and she's posted pictures of her attacking him and pining him down. If he knows what's good for him he'll live by the saying "happy wife, happy life".

A nostalgia tour with only Tom, assuming they'll never bury the hatchet with Dave, wont be much. Although most bands who retire to big fanfare do seem to come back I hope Slayer don't. They've had their run, they killed it for most of the 40 years they were on stage, no point wrecking that by coming back. Even if Kerry manages to make a ball buster of an album I think his days are numbered too, I doubt he's going to tour for another decade just because he's got a few riffs left in him.

 

[TempleOfBlood]

KK thinks he will tour for 10 years on his own name and songwriting but the market doesn't want it. His new band will be as popular as whatever Phil Anselmo has going on at the moment, maybe even less so. Starting a new band when you're in your 50s is pretty much insane.

I think Tom knows that Jeff was the real songwriter in the band and that it's over. Both he and KK are trying to be classy and not discuss their rift in public. I think Tom had to be sweet-talked into continuing at all after Jeff died, but he agreed to a farewell album and tour. I see Tom never doing music again in any capacity.

 

[Slammed]

I wish Gene would've joined Megadeth but I don't think they ever played together. The period between Rausch leaving and Gar wasn't that long. I don't really count someone as being in a band unless they've at least played one show or recorded something. I guess a jam is possible but I think Gene would've mentioned it by now if it had ever happened. Gene wasn't into Megadeth's brand of metal at that time though. He was more into stuff like Possessed, Slayer, Sacrilege B.C., etc.

I do think Dave asked probably both the guitarists in Dark Angel to join around this time, as well as it seems most every Bay Area guitarist around that time.

I wouldn't consider him part of the band if he didn't play on anything or anywhere either. I just like the idea that there is possibility. Gene sat in for so many people, in so many places, some for a short time some for a long time, while he might not have been officially a member of every band he played with his arse print is still in many bands. How he even remembers them all is beyond me, if it wasn't for being in lockdown I'd have forgotten where my arse was last week.

The rumours of who Dave asked to join over the years is massive. There was a site a few years ago (around '08-ish) that listed such rumours and stories of who was asked to join a band, who moved from band to band etc and the list of who Dave asked, or who requested an invite, was longer than pretty much any other metal band. Of course many couldn't be proven and weren't documented but it was cool to read through jsut for the sake of it.

 

[Slammed]

KK thinks he will tour for 10 years on his own name and songwriting but the market doesn't want it. His new band will be as popular as whatever Phil Anselmo has going on at the moment, maybe even less so. Starting a new band when you're in your 50s is pretty much insane.

I think Tom knows that Jeff was the real songwriter in the band and that it's over. Both he and KK are trying to be classy and not discuss their rift in public. I think Tom had to be sweet-talked into continuing at all after Jeff died, but he agreed to a farewell album and tour. I see Tom never doing music again in any capacity.

I'm not sure the market is there either, well not for multiple releases. But if he gets Phil I don't think his band will be popular in Australia. Australia really does not like Phil after his massive racist rant back in about '03. Phil's tours here (with multiple bands) since that night on stage in Sydney have been lacklustre and nearly empty. Australian fans have just never forgiven him.

I think Tom's had a higher calling. Someone higher up saw him with his grey beard and they'd realised that Santa can't go on touring forever and someone needs to take the reigns. He might not be ready for this Christmas' tour of duty but rest assured Tom will be ready for Christmas 2021.

 

[TempleOfBlood]

Santa Clause 3: Raining Gifts???

 

[Slammed]

If Tom tries too come down my chimney he better be bringing gifts!

 

[redfly]

Yep, Hirax, Metallica and Megadeth all in one band.

Of course to make the Megadeth connection you have to believe that Gene swapped drum stools with Lee Rausch, (who played on the Last Rites Demo in 84). Rausch supposedly went to Dark Angel and Gene joined Dave Co. Several sites seem to claim this connection however I've never seen Dave or Gene talk about it and the Dark Angel time line seems to suggest Gene was drummer in 84 after Rausch so the idea that Gene played in Megadeth at all seems loose at best.

That's cool.
I have never ever heard of Gene playing in Megadeth. That seems like something that would have been mentioned by Dave or Gene or anyone around. It's not like it's a secret of how many people and who they are that have been with them in the early days.

 

[redfly]

I knew Bostaph would be the one to play drums in KK's new project. There are very few players who can play Slayer that well, and already have a track record of being a pro and dependable. Those Slayer audition videos are pretty eye-opening in that very few drummers could really do those songs perfectly.

The big question is vocals. I assumed it would be Phil Anselmo because they are buds but I think Phil is just not reliable or productive enough for KK to put up with.

My predicition: After a couple of albums, opening slots on tours, etc. KK will try to either get Tom back or try to take the "Slayer" band name for himself. I don't think Tom will ever come back.

I guess it depends on how much Kerry wants to tour. I think Phil would be good. But how long his voice could hold up is a question.

 

[redfly]

Yes that swap was documented everywhere, it's the theory that Gene played in Megadeth, which while most sites tell us is wrong is documented on a few sites. It's those sites that I find interesting, not because people think they can be proven wrong, but because they got their information from somewhere. I've spent my spare time the last few weeks hunting out different demos, different back stories and different 'facts' about multiple bands and not only has it been interesting it's been fun because there are facts out there which many accept as correct that simply can't be. There is also many people out there who don't want to know their facts are inaccurate.

While Wargod's demo is okay I think what Meldrum did later, which wasn't as heavy but still hard was much better, Gene also kicked arse on the songs he did with her.

Gene needs his own fucking box set!!

 

[redfly]

KK thinks he will tour for 10 years on his own name and songwriting but the market doesn't want it. His new band will be as popular as whatever Phil Anselmo has going on at the moment, maybe even less so. Starting a new band when you're in your 50s is pretty much insane.

I think Tom knows that Jeff was the real songwriter in the band and that it's over. Both he and KK are trying to be classy and not discuss their rift in public. I think Tom had to be sweet-talked into continuing at all after Jeff died, but he agreed to a farewell album and tour. I see Tom never doing music again in any capacity.

If he gets the right people I'll buy it till the plug is pulled. I don't need it to be the best thing I've ever heard. I don't want it to be stale either. I'll be happy as hell with some straight up thrash.