trashed lost and strungout was...interesting, but i will not say that it is good and mature compared the the other albums. thats just blasphemy and retarded. every album has their weakness, yes, and are you dead yet will have its fair share of weaknesses too, bet your ass on it. but in my opinion, the only good songs on trashed lost and strungout were the 2 covers....TL&S had some good parts too it, and the chorus was pretty cool...and knuckleduster has some kick ass leads, but it definitely wasnt their best work. the way i see it...something wild put down the foundation for the Bodom sound...hatebreeder introduced the fact that they could kick your ass with musicianship...follow the reaper brought it to the next level, with a little more agression, and HCDR marked the change in their sound, they started to take a different path to keep their shit fresh.