I tend to agree with Mort and Krow on this, but I think I saw Mort or someone saying that a Warning song was the best trad doom song once....and it seemed very contradictory since Warning are about the least "traditional" doom band out there.
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Dak
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If doom metal is supposed to musically exemplify or indicate absolute despair, no album does this better than Warning - Watching from a Distance.
Eligos
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I can see the argument. For the last few years, funeral doom at large has sounded more like Swans-referencing art punk with metal vocals to me.
HamburgerBoy
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So early death metal is closer to "ten minute songs that drone onward"? Let's face it, death metal barely has any real definition at all. It's a convenient catch-all that has been filled with everything from the earliest extreme thrash bands to modern-day tech-wank. You place funeral doom under it. Other people place Gothenburg's output under it. People put basically anything that came from Florida or any other kind of tech-thrash with harsh vocals (hello, Spheres, Thresholds, and The Human Abstract) as death metal. Some people actually think that Cynic, Opeth, and Supuration are death metal bands. If doom metal is unable to accommodate Skepticism, death metal sure as hell cannot and be considered a meaningful sub-genre.
Krow
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The point being is that its closer to some form of extreme metal, given the vocals and overall heavyiness. But whatever, I'll just go with what Eligos said because I'm sure there's no snarky rebuttal for that.
Dak
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Eligos
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I think Mort's hobby is to take a group out of its bucket arbitrarily, say, "Hm, dunno how that got in there," and watch us all discuss his statements about how the band is not (X Genre).
Certain things are off-limits though. If a unanimous classic is happened upon in the bucket, he immediately releases it back into the container's clutches. One cannot sideline a landmark like Altars or De Mysteriis.
I'll use one for a group so far removed from this forum's interests, it's crystal clear they didn't write an album before 1995. I would not say that Textures is a good example of djent.
Certain things are off-limits though. If a unanimous classic is happened upon in the bucket, he immediately releases it back into the container's clutches. One cannot sideline a landmark like Altars or De Mysteriis.
I'll use one for a group so far removed from this forum's interests, it's crystal clear they didn't write an album before 1995. I would not say that Textures is a good example of djent.
Dak
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I like Textures, in fact I love Silhouettes. I don't think it qualifies as djent, but even if it did, it wouldn't bother me.
Mort Divine
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Not quite. My point has more to do with the evolution of the style. With death metal you can quite logically go from Death -> Morbid Angel -> Suffocation -> modern techy stuff
Doom on the other hand? Sabbath into Candlemass and inarly Cathedral into...Thergothon? I don't quite feel it. Early Cathedral is the closest link and even then it is so monumentally far away.
KafkaX
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Jesus Christ, Thergothon is fucking terrible...
Why the fuck are we making such a big deal about funeral doom, its boring as fuck....And this is coming from a guy who loves Drone....Does anyone even listen to this shit on the forum?
Why the fuck are we making such a big deal about funeral doom, its boring as fuck....And this is coming from a guy who loves Drone....Does anyone even listen to this shit on the forum?
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Yes, yes people do, you numpty, myself included. I'm not much into Thergothon, but when it's done right, it's quite sublime in it's despair. And it's better than drone because it has actual riffs and melodies, which drone tends to lack.
Then how, pray tell, you could classify funeral doom metal? And don't fucking say death metal.
Then how, pray tell, you could classify funeral doom metal? And don't fucking say death metal.
Master_Yoda77
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The fuck? Thergothon rules bro.
For what it's worth, Axis of Advance say that Thergothon and Disembowelment were among their greatest influence and they are a black/death metal band.
Funerary_Doom
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
How could you not like Funeral Doom, though?
Tryanny? Ataraxie? Bosque? SoD? Evoken? Thergothon??
Idk i think maybe Mort might be on to something. FD really does sound a lot more like DM than it does doom. I do prefer it over most DM just cause the feeling is really there. Sometimes I miss that with DM especially tech death, but that's another conversation. The doom aspect of it comes from playing really slow and the riffs repeat a lot/drag on, but it's really played in the DM style.
Tryanny? Ataraxie? Bosque? SoD? Evoken? Thergothon??
Idk i think maybe Mort might be on to something. FD really does sound a lot more like DM than it does doom. I do prefer it over most DM just cause the feeling is really there. Sometimes I miss that with DM especially tech death, but that's another conversation. The doom aspect of it comes from playing really slow and the riffs repeat a lot/drag on, but it's really played in the DM style.
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The point being is that its closer to some form of extreme metal, given the vocals and overall heavyiness. But whatever, I'll just go with what Eligos said because I'm sure there's no snarky rebuttal for that.
So is your point that funeral doom isn't metal at all? There is definitely stuff out there called doom metal that takes more after Swans and other gothic and post-punk bands than metal (see: The Gault and Beyond Dawn), but Thergothon?
And I don't think the jump from Winter and whatever other bands is nearly as drastic as any case you could make from non-doom "extreme metal". Leaving it as a fusion genre between doom and death metal (more from the former) and still a couple notches slower works fine enough.
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Well you obviously have to like it because they use Lovecraft references.
Master_Yoda77
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