Dakryn's Batshit Theory of the Week

I don't believe the systematic nature of exclusion of real news is accidental.

As far as that writeup goes, it was interesting, if for no other reason it puts the author's ignorance, bias, hypocrisy, and hyperbolic skills on complete display, with a heaping helping of logical fallacies for a side. I almost loled when he suggested the target of the letter should worry about a fictional hell. The sooner guys like this are no longer involved in education, the better. Narcissism is poisonous.

Edit @Jimmy: It's such a shame that for all the good things that Friedman ever said, his biggest concrete contributions are monetarism and the income tax withholding. Both are an absolute and real curse on the life not only of Americans, but of every country where the economists and policy makers have followed the example.
 
As far as that writeup goes, it was interesting, if for no other reason it puts the author's ignorance, bias, hypocrisy, and hyperbolic skills on complete display, with a heaping helping of logical fallacies for a side. I almost loled when he suggested the target of the letter should worry about a fictional hell. The sooner guys like this are no longer involved in education, the better. Narcissism is poisonous.

Totally unfair, and if you think he's the problem, then you seriously don't know what the problems with education are.
 
Totally unfair, and if you think he's the problem, then you seriously don't know what the problems with education are.

I have been seeing the problems in "higher" education directly for the last year. It thrills me that the tone of that write-up has an undercurrent of fear. The narcissistic, just-above-wiki-educated-sounding internet-tough-guy talk is a poor attempt at masking an intense amount of fear of the increasing obsolescence of his profession, as currently practiced. He's like an angry buggy whip manufacturer in 1910.

Edit: I figured I better headoff any response (similar to what the writer already stated) about "education/a university not being run by a business". If a university is not run by it's customers, it is run on theft and rentseeking. Like the core studies bullshit, tax funding, and so on. And the writer has the audacity to accuse his target of fascism and tyranny. The idea that every university shouldn't do everything is another example of basic intelligence attacked in the piece. It should be a given that the cost of an education, even without the absurd government-grant-blown-bubble, dictates that I shouldn't have my time wasted because Herr Petsko has decided my Psych major needs a dose of Italian (which is actually purely based on needing to procure funds to employ an undesired([by the customer] Italian language teacher). It's not about the wellbeing of the student at all. It's about the paycheck of rentseeking teachers and the personal prestige of the heads of administration that wish to gloat about the "Wide range of classes available at our prestigious institution". Makes me sick really.
 
I have been seeing the problems in "higher" education directly for the last year. It thrills me that the tone of that write-up has an undercurrent of fear. The narcissistic, just-above-wiki-educated-sounding internet-tough-guy talk is a poor attempt at masking an intense amount of fear of the increasing obsolescence of his profession, as currently practiced. He's like an angry buggy whip manufacturer in 1910.

He teaches at Brandeis. Far from "just-above-wiki-educated." You should do more research.

Second, it isn't fear; he's a bio-chem professor. It's frustration.

Edit: I figured I better headoff any response (similar to what the writer already stated) about "education/a university not being run by a business". If a university is not run by it's customers, it is run on theft and rentseeking. Like the core studies bullshit, tax funding, and so on. And the writer has the audacity to accuse his target of fascism and tyranny. The idea that every university shouldn't do everything is another example of basic intelligence attacked in the piece. It should be a given that the cost of an education, even without the absurd government-grant-blown-bubble, dictates that I shouldn't have my time wasted because Herr Petsko has decided my Psych major needs a dose of Italian (which is actually purely based on needing to procure funds to employ an undesired([by the customer] Italian language teacher). It's not about the wellbeing of the student at all. It's about the paycheck of rentseeking teachers and the personal prestige of the heads of administration that wish to gloat about the "Wide range of classes available at our prestigious institution". Makes me sick really.

I don't care about your irritation or your "waste of time." If it's the job of educators to educate, then you need to accept the fact that you're going to have to learn things that you don't particularly enjoy. That's why it's called "education." Get used to it.
 
He teaches at Brandeis. Far from "just-above-wiki-educated." You should do more research.

Second, it isn't fear; he's a bio-chem professor. It's frustration.

I gathered his actual degree level from his writing. He was only too happy to list it. If he hadn't listed his accomplishments, I certainly wouldn't have gathered that he had attained any significant level of education. His logical capabilities were lacking, and all his ad hominems were based on information easily gleaned from (possible reduction) the first paragraph from the wiki of whatever his reference was. Just because he has a degree in X, or X AND Y, doesn't mean he is qualified to comment on everything else. This open letter shows he certainly isn't.

Secondly, fear does manifest as frustration. Frustration that his sand castle is crumbling. That his fascistic view is being rejected in action, if not in theory. That economic reality is overcoming his ideal. That the most early concept of the division of labor holds true despite his wishes to the contrary. His examples about the "few institutions" that continued to focus on certain fields which proved valuable do not in any way prove that all educational and research institutions should be educating and research in all fields. Apparently in all his education he missed his critical thinking class, and most likely even an Econ 101 class, given his insinuated opinion of voluntary exchange.

I don't care about your irritation or your "waste of time." If it's the job of educators to educate, then you need to accept the fact that you're going to have to learn things that you don't particularly enjoy. That's why it's called "education." Get used to it.

It's the job of educators to educate those who desire instruction in the subject. I just spent the last year going through courses of little to no interest to me, and yet I put forward the necessary effort primarily because I don't believe in wasting my time any further than it was already being wasted. I also held a level of sympathy for the various instructors, who are essentially forced to spend their lives speaking words falling on deaf ears. Like I said, Herr Petsko does not care about the wellbeing of students. Students who do not wish to be present do not learn. It's a waste of the very precious and finite resource of time for both the student and the teacher, and more broadly a waste of time in the form of money extracted from extraneous sources as the respective situation allows.

When you teach a class, and you see some student in the back, eyes rolled up to the ceiling or down to the phone hidden behind the desk, don't be angry at the student. Be angry at the system that put him or her there.

Mr Petsko needs to embrace the technology. It is a shame his genetic degrees have not enlightened him in the least. But of course it's against his personally perceived interest. He is loathe to bite the hand that feeds. In the meantime, more forward thinking and student oriented teachers like my algebra teacher, encourage students to make use of online and group instruction, a model that will replace much of the humanities and non-research Prussian (and older) model in the next decade. The university was meant for a very small core of lifelong learners, living monk-ish lives of study and research at the gratitude of either the thieving state or voluntary contributions of enlightened benefactors. The relatively modern, wastern model of "university" is yielding an economic bubble and a surplus of graduates who can barely follow 3 steps of logic. All thanks to a surplus of "educators" like our Distinguished Doctor Petsko (who I'm sure would dismiss my entire response as being from someone who "he notices does not as of yet have a doctorate").
 
I don't find much in that worth responding to. Fear might manifest as frustration; but automatically interpreting frustration as fear is fallacious.

If he is expressing fear and immaturity, you're expressing it equally as much. Teachers who take these positions aren't harming the educational system or debilitating our students. They're identifying an intellectual concern, and it's worth discussing. Dismissing them outright, as you're doing, exposes (to me) a bias toward educators.
 
I don't find much in that worth responding to. Fear might manifest as frustration; but automatically interpreting frustration as fear is fallacious.

I don't automatically interpret it as such. However, when it regards livlihood, I have every reason to. The same forces that have caused the target to cut faculty, also may aim for the writer in time. His most prescient point is regarding the loyalty of the other faculty at the institution. That he has taken this into account in his own sphere is laid bare. There are different sorts of "feeding", and Dr Petsko recognizes that biting the hand of peers is not going to be popular.

If he is expressing fear and immaturity, you're expressing it equally as much. Teachers who take these positions aren't harming the educational system or debilitating our students. They're identifying an intellectual concern, and it's worth discussing. Dismissing them outright, as you're doing, exposes (to me) a bias toward educators.

Sure it's worth discussion, as much as anything is. I also didn't say "all teachers". In fact, I specifically applaud those like my Biology and Algebra teachers. Two subjects I hate or am ambivalent towards. I'm dismissing those of the "ilk" of Dr Petsko. My algebra teacher embraced online and group learning to assist her students in actually learning the material. She had no hangups about her own personal recognition in the course of the learning. My biology teacher took a different approach: He rewarded active participation with good grades and focused on fostering lifelong learning/subject interest rather than rote memorization required by "standards". Those who sat in the back and tuned it all out he gave the bare minimum of passing and sent them on their way. The time of neither was wasted.

On the other hand, my "Humanities" teacher exemplifies the approach taken by Dr Petsko, if not his educational pedigree. It was only that I felt sorry for her misunderstanding of my approach and motivation that I didn't write a long, eloquent, and scathing recommendation of her retirement/dismissal from staff. Based on my understanding of her in class comments and "hallway" discussion with me, I was left to assume she thought I was one of her bright pupils touched by her methods or whatever. Her childish tantrums when faced with obstructive students, most often during "lessons" which I considered of a juvenile nature, were cause enough for dismissal, both officially by the institution and actively by the pedants in the class. Why am I (or in my and most's case, more accurately the taxpayer) paying all this money for her to walk us around in the rain to see slightly decaying buildings which I can see on my own time, with an internet connection if necessary to find out that we are observing Neoclassic or Gothic revival architecture.

In short, I do not dismiss the educator himself or herself. I dismiss the Dr. Petkos of the world. We desperately need forward thinking educators, and Dr. Petsko has been only too happy to inform us that he does not qualify. Notice that I don't begrudge his title. I'm sure that he has made laudible contributions outside of education tiself. Education itself is a field/skill separate from subject matter. Management or administration is another separate skill. So is "trendcasting". Dr Petsko should stick to his research.
 
He's not the narrow-minded polemicist you're making him out to be. I think you just happen to disagree with his opinions, so you're attacking the author of the opinions.

I don't agree with any of the assumptions you've made that Petsko "does not qualify" as a forward-thinking educator. You haven't addressed the issues, but only the person.
 
I though I was clear on not only addressing him, but on some of the glaring shortfalls in his arguments, as well as his representation of a destructive archetype.
 
You're assessment of "glaring shortfalls" holds little water.

Educators aren't responsible for educating people only in the subjects that they're interested in. They're responsible for educating them on a wide variety of subjects, including those that their students find boring or pointless. Your understanding of what an educator should be is misguided from the start.
 
Spent yesterday at the beach, so I wasn't able to reply, although it was on my mind.

He's not the narrow-minded polemicist you're making him out to be. I think you just happen to disagree with his opinions, so you're attacking the author of the opinions.

I don't agree with any of the assumptions you've made that Petsko "does not qualify" as a forward-thinking educator. You haven't addressed the issues, but only the person.

You're assessment of "glaring shortfalls" holds little water.

Educators aren't responsible for educating people only in the subjects that they're interested in. They're responsible for educating them on a wide variety of subjects, including those that their students find boring or pointless. Your understanding of what an educator should be is misguided from the start.

I really don't see how you can suggest I didn't address the issue. I think I may have confused the matter for you by suggesting the issue included the archetype that Petsko represents.

As far as glaring shortfalls, I shouldn't have to go through line by line, as I know you know these basic principles well enough to see them yourself. So lets look:

Just 30 days ago, on October 1st, you announced that the departments of French, Italian, Classics, Russian and Theater Arts were being eliminated. You gave several reasons for your decision, including that 'there are comparatively fewer students enrolled in these degree programs.' Of course, your decision was also, perhaps chiefly, a cost-cutting measure - in fact, you stated that this decision might not have been necessary had the state legislature passed a bill that would have allowed your university to set its own tuition rates. Finally, you asserted that the humanities were a drain on the institution financially, as opposed to the sciences, which bring in money in the form of grants and contracts.

3 Languages, Classics, and Theater Arts are being slashed from the catalog of a single school. Holy shit, stop the presses. Maydaymayday, -insert some other emergency cliche-. The only serious attention this is getting is from those who are worried that this is a trend heading in their direction. It's like when DoD budget cut talks occur (however rare), we immediately hear of how that will lead to certain death and doom. Usually the loudest of these prophets hail from districts benefitting from bases and/or the industry side of the MIC. But I digress.

Petsko repeats here the reason for the closings. They look legitimate on the surface. Low enrollment, lack of funding, unsustainable. Mr Phillips has done the prudent thing and cut out these inefficiencies, so that his university may focus more on what it does better, and prospective student interested in the now missing departments will go somewhere that did a better job anyway. Win, win. But this isn't good enough for Dr Petsko. So what is his beef?

Let's examine these and your other reasons in detail, because I think if one does, it becomes clear that the facts on which they are based have some important aspects that are not covered in your statement. First, the matter of enrollment. I'm sure that relatively few students take classes in these subjects nowadays, just as you say. There wouldn't have been many in my day, either, if universities hadn't required students to take a distribution of courses in many different parts of the academy: humanities, social sciences, the fine arts, the physical and natural sciences, and to attain minimal proficiency in at least one foreign language. You see, the reason that humanities classes have low enrollment is not because students these days are clamoring for more relevant courses; it's because administrators like you, and spineless faculty, have stopped setting distribution requirements and started allowing students to choose their own academic programs - something I feel is a complete abrogation of the duty of university faculty as teachers and mentors. You could fix the enrollment problem tomorrow by instituting a mandatory core curriculum that included a wide range of courses.

When someone starts off a critique this far removed from reality, you know they can't possibly find their way back. Dr Petsko has now conflated these few classes with the whole of humanities, and has suggested that the humanities were, are, and have always been an unappealing option. However, anyone who even remotely follows current events knows it is not the Humanities that are suffering, but STEM fields. What degrees are left outside of STEM and the Humanities? Whatever they are, Dr Petsko would apparently have us believe that an overwhelming majority are all funneling into the niche.

Next, he suggest that schools do not require a "well rounded" education anymore. If there are schools like this I would love to promote them. As it stands, the majority of educational institutions in the business of BA dispensing have relatively evenly distributed requirement of electives. That most people do not care for acting (or the whole subculture around that) or for learning Italian, doesn't mean there is some sort of systemic problem of "spineless faculty". An ad hom to ice the cake. If the faculty were so spineless, Dr Petsko should rejoice in the dismissal of some of them.

Next:

Young people haven't, for the most part, yet attained the wisdom to have that kind of freedom without making poor decisions. In fact, without wisdom, it's hard for most people. That idea is thrashed out better than anywhere else, I think, in Dostoyevsky's parable of the Grand Inquisitor, which is told in Chapter Five of his great novel, The Brothers Karamazov. In the parable, Christ comes back to earth in Seville at the time of the Spanish Inquisition. He performs several miracles but is arrested by Inquisition leaders and sentenced to be burned at the stake. The Grand Inquisitor visits Him in his cell to tell Him that the Church no longer needs Him. The main portion of the text is the Inquisitor explaining why. The Inquisitor says that Jesus rejected the three temptations of Satan in the desert in favor of freedom, but he believes that Jesus has misjudged human nature. The Inquisitor says that the vast majority of humanity cannot handle freedom. In giving humans the freedom to choose, Christ has doomed humanity to a life of suffering.

That single chapter in a much longer book is one of the great works of modern literature. You would find a lot in it to think about. I'm sure your Russian faculty would love to talk with you about it - if only you had a Russian department, which now, of course, you don't.

Why aren't legal adults able to make these choices? Perhaps a problem with the lower levels of education? That aside, Dr Petsko apparently isn't aware that the majority of people don't attend university for the thrill of walking the dusty halls. It's to get the piece of paper and introductory information they need to get into the career field they want. Unless you want to be an actor, theater has little use to that end. Unless you want to be a teacher or plan to work abroad, the other 4 cut departments have little use. Given the cost of an education (the 1 trillion dollar sutdent debt bubble to fund the Dr Petsko's of the world should be getting his time and ink, not this).

I would jump right to this absurd little subconclusion that he mimics in style several times in the course of his letter, except that I cannot gloss over the fact that he does not believe in freedom or choice. The "greatest chapter" informs us that freedom is suffering. Thank God for Dr Petsko (kind of redundant right?) for being there to save us from this ghastly fate!

But back to the petty barb at the end. Dr Petsko would have us believe that Mr Phillips could not find out about older books without his Classics department, nor if he found them, would he be able to read and understand them. Quite an absurd ad hominem, but granted Dr Petsko's opinion of the swine beneath him, it's no wonder he doubts that they can read.

But, after outing himself as an antihumanist tyrant (Irony, in defending the "humanities"), he follows it up with a heaping helping of projection:

Then there's the question of whether the state legislature's inaction gave you no other choice. I'm sure the budgetary problems you have to deal with are serious. They certainly are at Brandeis University, where I work. And we, too, faced critical strategic decisions because our income was no longer enough to meet our expenses. But we eschewed your draconian - and authoritarian - solution, and a team of faculty, with input from all parts of the university, came up with a plan to do more with fewer resources. I'm not saying that all the specifics of our solution would fit your institution, but the process sure would have. You did call a town meeting, but it was to discuss your plan, not let the university craft its own. And you called that meeting for Friday afternoon on October 1st, when few of your students or faculty would be around to attend. In your defense, you called the timing 'unfortunate', but pleaded that there was a 'limited availability of appropriate large venue options.' I find that rather surprising. If the President of Brandeis needed a lecture hall on short notice, he would get one. I guess you don't have much clout at your university.

Forcing students working on a Microbiology degree through a torturous semester of theater because the slaves are too ignorant to know what's good for them isn't draconion or authoritarian at all, but fiscal conservatism and focusing on the needs of the student is? What exactly is draconion about it? Mr Phillips dared to break the educational institution equivalent of the "blue wall of silence". He has dared to touch what Dr Petsko sees as fellow members of The Untouchables. The institution has become the end unto itself.

It is interesting to note, that Dr Petsko noted that income was not meeting expenses without going into why. Falling enrollment? Bloated salaries? Bloated administration? Fancy new offices? Regardless, Dr Petsko's university's choice was to "do more with less". Nothing wrong with that, but why do I suspect the less was aimed at students, while the salaries, administration, and other perks stayed intact.

Mr Phillips also made do with less. With less departments: Trimming the respective fat instead of making every single department and each student suffer.

It seems to me that the way you went about it couldn't have been more likely to alienate just about everybody on campus. In your position, I would have done everything possible to avoid that. I wouldn't want to end up in the 9th Bolgia (ditch of stone) of the 8th Circle of the Inferno, where the great 14th century Italian poet Dante Alighieri put the sowers of discord. There, as they struggle in that pit for all eternity, a demon continually hacks their limbs apart, just as in life they divided others.

The Inferno is the first book of Dante's Divine Comedy, one of the great works of the human imagination. There's so much to learn from it about human weakness and folly. The faculty in your Italian department would be delighted to introduce you to its many wonders - if only you had an Italian department, which now, of course, you don't.

And do you really think even those faculty and administrators who may applaud your tough-minded stance (partly, I'm sure, in relief that they didn't get the axe themselves) are still going to be on your side in the future? I'm reminded of the fable by Aesop of the Travelers and the Bear: two men were walking together through the woods, when a bear rushed out at them. One of the travelers happened to be in front, and he grabbed the branch of a tree, climbed up, and hid himself in the leaves. The other, being too far behind, threw himself flat down on the ground, with his face in the dust. The bear came up to him, put his muzzle close to the man's ear, and sniffed and sniffed. But at last with a growl the bear slouched off, for bears will not touch dead meat. Then the fellow in the tree came down to his companion, and, laughing, said 'What was it that the bear whispered to you?' 'He told me,' said the other man, 'Never to trust a friend who deserts you in a pinch.'

DINGDINGDING - Mr Phillips dared to touch The Untouchables. Thinly veiled threats, and ignoring that sudents are on campus too, unless Dr Petsko assumes that those same students too disinterested in the canned departments are going to bemoan their exit. Given the context, it's quite obvious Dr Petsko is oblivious to the swine before which he casts his pearls. Of course, anyone without a doctorate is swine and has no knowledge of things without the good doctors to instruct them (coming up shortly). Like no knowledge of Dante without the Italian Department at SUNY Albany.

As for the argument that the humanities don't pay their own way, well, I guess that's true, but it seems to me that there's a fallacy in assuming that a university should be run like a business. I'm not saying it shouldn't be managed prudently, but the notion that every part of it needs to be self-supporting is simply at variance with what a university is all about. You seem to value entrepreneurial programs and practical subjects that might generate intellectual property more than you do 'old-fashioned' courses of study. But universities aren't just about discovering and capitalizing on new knowledge; they are also about preserving knowledge from being lost over time, and that requires a financial investment. There is good reason for it: what seems to be archaic today can become vital in the future. I'll give you two examples of that. The first is the science of virology, which in the 1970s was dying out because people felt that infectious diseases were no longer a serious health problem in the developed world and other subjects, such as molecular biology, were much sexier. Then, in the early 1990s, a little problem called AIDS became the world's number 1 health concern. The virus that causes AIDS was first isolated and characterized at the National Institutes of Health in the USA and the Institute Pasteur in France, because these were among the few institutions that still had thriving virology programs. My second example you will probably be more familiar with. Middle Eastern Studies, including the study of foreign languages such as Arabic and Persian, was hardly a hot subject on most campuses in the 1990s. Then came September 11, 2001. Suddenly we realized that we needed a lot more people who understood something about that part of the world, especially its Muslim culture. Those universities that had preserved their Middle Eastern Studies departments, even in the face of declining enrollment, suddenly became very important places. Those that hadn't - well, I'm sure you get the picture.

Why don't the Humanities pay their own way (as if Italian and Art Appreciation were a homogeneous suite)? Not charging enough or paying too much. Or maybe offering courses that are redundant to the extreme in comparison with the other, possibly superior theater departments available to students in New York State.

Regardless, now Dr Petsko attempts to defend the idea of infinite redundancy with examples which equally support the effectiveness of the division of labor. Had every school a Middle Eastern Studies Department, this would not have saved them. Rather, the better departments would have received the focus, and those being dragged along by the rest of the institution would have remained ignored. My eyes doth roll at this whole bit. But, Dr Petsko in his infinite wisdom already knows the argument that arrays itself against him. His response?

I know one of your arguments is that not every place should try to do everything. Let other institutions have great programs in classics or theater arts, you say; we will focus on preparing students for jobs in the real world. Well, I hope I've just shown you that the real world is pretty fickle about what it wants. The best way for people to be prepared for the inevitable shock of change is to be as broadly educated as possible, because today's backwater is often tomorrow's hot field. And interdisciplinary research, which is all the rage these days, is only possible if people aren't too narrowly trained. If none of that convinces you, then I'm willing to let you turn your institution into a place that focuses on the practical, but only if you stop calling it a university and yourself the President of one. You see, the word 'university' derives from the Latin 'universitas', meaning 'the whole'. You can't be a university without having a thriving humanities program. You will need to call SUNY Albany a trade school, or perhaps a vocational college, but not a university. Not anymore.

Maybe SUNY Albany does need to change to be a technical institute, and there would be nothing wrong with that. I suspect that many universities will need to do this. This is actually a part of that "fickleness" that Dr Petsko is referring to. Every institution doesn't need to do everything.

Of course, as institutions adapt or close down, Dr Petsko will be left looking like an epileptic whack-a-mole player responding to each situation, while sneering and looking down his nose at all the "not-a-university" adapters. His contempt is plain enough here.

Speaking of contempt for those lesser beings:

I utterly refuse to believe that you had no alternative. It's your job as President to find ways of solving problems that do not require the amputation of healthy limbs. Voltaire said that no problem can withstand the assault of sustained thinking. Voltaire, whose real name was François-Marie Arouet, had a lot of pithy, witty and brilliant things to say (my favorite is 'God is a comedian playing to an audience that is afraid to laugh'). Much of what he wrote would be very useful to you. I'm sure the faculty in your French department would be happy to introduce you to his writings, if only you had a French department, which now, of course, you don't.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you have trouble understanding the importance of maintaining programs in unglamorous or even seemingly 'dead' subjects. From your biography, you don't actually have a PhD or other high degree, and have never really taught or done research at a university. Perhaps my own background will interest you. I started out as a classics major. I'm now Professor of Biochemistry and Chemistry. Of all the courses I took in college and graduate school, the ones that have benefited me the most in my career as a scientist are the courses in classics, art history, sociology, and English literature. These courses didn't just give me a much better appreciation for my own culture; they taught me how to think, to analyze, and to write clearly. None of my sciences courses did any of that.

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One of the things I've written about is the way genomics is changing the world we live in. Our ability to manipulate the human genome is going to pose some very difficult questions for humanity in the next few decades, including the question of just what it means to be human. That isn't a question for science alone; it's a question that must be answered with input from every sphere of human thought, including - especially including - the humanities and arts. Science unleavened by the human heart and the human spirit is sterile, cold, and self-absorbed. It's also unimaginative: some of my best ideas as a scientist have come from thinking and reading about things that have, superficially, nothing to do with science. If I'm right that what it means to be human is going to be one of the central issues of our time, then universities that are best equipped to deal with it, in all its many facets, will be the most important institutions of higher learning in the future. You've just ensured that yours won't be one of them.

DO WHAT I SAY OR YOU'RE DOOOOOOOOOOOMED! Dr Petsko appears to be an expert on self absorption, if not sterility. If Dr Petsko is defining human, and humans cannot be trusted with choice, it's pretty obvious that the humanities are not needed by his own definition and mode of thinking. Of course his logical abilities have not been on display in this writing, so that they are lacking elsewhere is hardly surprising.

Some of your defenders have asserted that this is all a brilliant ploy on your part - a master political move designed to shock the legislature and force them to give SUNY Albany enough resources to keep these departments open. That would be Machiavellian (another notable Italian writer, but then, you don't have any Italian faculty to tell you about him), certainly, but I doubt that you're that clever. If you were, you would have held that town meeting when the whole university could have been present, at a place where the press would be all over it. That's how you force the hand of a bunch of politicians. You proclaim your action on the steps of the state capitol. You don't try to sneak it through in the dead of night, when your institution has its back turned.

No, I think you were simply trying to balance your budget at the expense of what you believe to be weak, outdated and powerless departments. I think you will find, in time, that you made a Faustian bargain. Faust is the title character in a play by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. It was written around 1800 but still attracts the largest audiences of any play in Germany whenever it's performed. Faust is the story of a scholar who makes a deal with the devil. The devil promises him anything he wants as long as he lives. In return, the devil will get - well, I'm sure you can guess how these sorts of deals usually go. If only you had a Theater department, which now, of course, you don't, you could ask them to perform the play so you could see what happens. It's awfully relevant to your situation. You see, Goethe believed that it profits a man nothing to give up his soul for the whole world. That's the whole world, President Philip, not just a balanced budget. Although, I guess, to be fair, you haven't given up your soul. Just the soul of your institution.

I'm surprised he credits Mr Phillips with even knowing how Faustian bargains end; after all, he doesn't have a Faustian Bargain Department, nor a doctorate in anything - an absolute necessity to attain a higher state being amongst the Gods and being able to see through to the important issue: Defending faculty at all costs.

Obviously Mr Phillips was not trying to wring more tax-dollars from the state, but not due to any lack of intelligence as Dr Petsko suggests. Kudos to Mr Phillips.
 
What is the logic for logical reasoning?
Some say our capacity for abstract thought is a cognitive trick, yet this argument undermines itself. Can we trust our reason?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2013/may/15/what-logic-logical-reasoning

This is an empty retort. "You can't claim that logic is a trick b/c you must rely on logical arguments in order to do so" is a flawed comprehension of the claim and begs the question.

The argument isn't that logic does not exist, but that it is a "cognitive trick." You're both (maybe not Jimmy, not sure where you stand on this issue) mistaking essence and appearance. Ray Brassier (not a postmodernist by any means) gives the refutation of the "self-refuting" objection:

I think the author is doing a number of things. First he's assuming that logic and arithmetic are kinds of knowledge that are discovered and hes backing this up by saying that to claim otherwise - to claim that the laws of logic are invented - is self-defeating since such a claim would require logical arguments in order to be convincing, but if valid logical arguments are not true in virtue of employing universal laws, then logical arguments are not in any convincing sense "true". So assuming that logic is discovered and universal, the author is positing the question of why this species-specific trait of rational thinking evolved in humans at all when it seems to have had no evolutionary benefit.

Why is abstract truth important to our species? These are very interesting questions, but clearly the author believes that because you cannot prove in any logical convincing way that logic is not a feature of the universe, that means its not a possibility, and I don't think that's the case at all. Just because we cannot find good reasons to think that logic is not universal, doesn't mean that it can't be so, even if I do I find the prospect rather soul-shattering. Hume's skepticism and Kant's noumenal world are always in the back of my mind and I find the ol' "discovered" or "invented" debate pretty interesting.

Thanks for Brassier's analysis of self-refuting objects! The claim that logic can't be reasonably explained as invented can be said to go the same way, I suppose, in that it doesn't actually deny logic is invented.
 
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You didn't need to go through line by line, but I appreciate it. I'm not going to respond in kind because I don't think it would ultimately be beneficial, but I don't accept your premises that education can/should be reduced to economics and affordability (and that's likely going to be the stick in the proverbial craw).

Like Petsko, I don't believe that cutting these subjects achieves anything positive and I don't agree that there is waning interest in them; I think that they are the first things to go because fewer people pursue jobs in these subjects, but that does not automatically mean that interest in them is waning and/or they provide no valuable information.

That the culture we live in doesn't provide as many positions in these fields is no reason to cut them first. I believe that it is the responsibility of educators to provide a well-rounded and encompassing education, not merely cater to what individuals find personally interesting. This means making you take a week or two out of your life to read some of The Canterbury Tales. If this means education needs a much larger overhaul, then so be it; but that doesn't justify cutting humanities courses.

The information provided in these subjects benefits not only humanities students, but students in all fields, despite what others might think. I know you've personally said you find little use for fiction, but that's a position that a university can't afford to adopt. We need to instill critical thinking and analytic skills that allow students to interpret multiple texts and situations, not just those that they deem "most practical." Petsko makes the point about his biology and chemistry knowledge because these are not typically the fields associated with a humanities education, but they're equally valuable. He identifies his academic status to make a point of contrast, not to establish himself as an elitist. He is specifically criticizing (and rightly so, in my opinion) Philips's business background, and how this cannot be the only factor in making a decision of this sort. Education needs to be on the collective table, and it can't be reduced to practicality and economic worth.

I think the author is doing a number of things. First he's assuming that logic and arithmetic are kinds of knowledge that are discovered and hes backing this up by saying that to claim otherwise - to claim that the laws of logic are invented - is self-defeating since such a claim would require logical arguments in order to be convincing, but if valid logical arguments are not true in virtue of employing universal laws, then logical arguments are not in any convincing sense "true". So assuming that logic is discovered and universal, the author is positing the question of why this species-specific trait of rational thinking evolved in humans at all when it seems to have had no evolutionary benefit.

Why is abstract truth important to our species? These are very interesting questions, but clearly the author believes that because you cannot prove in any logical convincing way that logic is not a feature of the universe, that means its not a possibility, and I don't think that's the case at all. Just because we cannot find good reasons to think that logic is not universal, doesn't mean that it can't be so, even if I do I find the prospect rather soul-shattering. Hume's skepticism and Kant's noumenal world are always in the back of my mind and I find the ol' "discovered" or "invented" debate pretty interesting.

Thanks for Brassier's analysis of self-refuting objects! The claim that logic can't be reasonably explained as invented can be said to go the same way, I suppose, in that it doesn't actually deny logic is invented.

I agree with a lot of what you said. There is a good amount of anthropocentrism of an almost teleological nature in his article. It's a dangerous middle ground he treads, in my opinion; I like to see more skepticism. In truth, consciousness isn't all that evolutionarily valuable. It's more convincing, in my opinion, that consciousness performs logical "cognitive tricks" in order to virtually appropriate the world to our senses. An extreme argument might even put forth that consciousness involves an intense form of fetishism of its own relation to the natural world (which, in turn, would partially explain concepts such as "god."
 
You didn't need to go through line by line, but I appreciate it. I'm not going to respond in kind because I don't think it would ultimately be beneficial, but I don't accept your premises that education can/should be reduced to economics and affordability (and that's likely going to be the stick in the proverbial craw).

You may not be interested in economics, but economics is interested in you. (I didn't need to attend a school with a Department in Soviet Studies to be able to bastardize that quote). If education does not have to abide by the same economic principles as everyone else, it is merely operating no differently than the medieval guild at best, and as the mob at worst. Extortion or voluntarism are the choices before us. For some reason there is quite an anti-voluntaristic sentiment in academia, despite it's pleas for peace and understanding. I've heard on many occasion the desire for a disconnect between the payment and the services rendered.

Like Petsko, I don't believe that cutting these subjects achieves anything positive and I don't agree that there is waning interest in them; I think that they are the first things to go because fewer people pursue jobs in these subjects, but that does not automatically mean that interest in them is waning and/or they provide no valuable information.

There probably isn't a waning interest in them in general. Just maybe at SUNY Albany, or possibly it's just never been strong there. Since value is subjective, I imagine some do find value there. Obviously just not enough at SUNY Albany.

That the culture we live in doesn't provide as many positions in these fields is no reason to cut them first. I believe that it is the responsibility of educators to provide a well-rounded and encompassing education, not merely cater to what individuals find personally interesting. This means making you take a week or two out of your life to read some of The Canterbury Tales. If this means education needs a much larger overhaul, then so be it; but that doesn't justify cutting humanities courses.

When higher education is utilized as a gatekeeper for careers and charges the poor a trillion dollars at interest at interest with no guarantee of return, I think it does. Education and economics needs and overhaul, but as that is even more painful and broadly systemic, all the Mr Phillips of the world can do is make do.

The information provided in these subjects benefits not only humanities students, but students in all fields, despite what others might think. I know you've personally said you find little use for fiction, but that's a position that a university can't afford to adopt. We need to instill critical thinking and analytic skills that allow students to interpret multiple texts and situations, not just those that they deem "most practical." Petsko makes the point about his biology and chemistry knowledge because these are not typically the fields associated with a humanities education, but they're equally valuable. He identifies his academic status to make a point of contrast, not to establish himself as an elitist. He is specifically criticizing (and rightly so, in my opinion) Philips's business background, and how this cannot be the only factor in making a decision of this sort. Education needs to be on the collective table, and it can't be reduced to practicality and economic worth.

I do read fiction when it's not drivel. (In fact I do still have a softspot for certain types of what would most likely be considered drivel in an academic sense). On the whole though, it's usually not important enough on my value scale to spend my limited time on it vs other things. I don't wish it to go away though. I just would be angry at being forced to read Twilight vs The Republic, regardless of how "equally enriched" someone might believe me to be. Technically philosophy is also fiction, is it not?
 
Yes, it all boils down to coercion and individual value scales. The truth is, I find a comment like this...

I do read fiction when it's not drivel. (In fact I do still have a softspot for certain types of what would most likely be considered drivel in an academic sense). On the whole though, it's usually not important enough on my value scale to spend my limited time on it vs other things. I don't wish it to go away though. I just would be angry at being forced to read Twilight vs The Republic, regardless of how "equally enriched" someone might believe me to be. Technically philosophy is also fiction, is it not?

...to be frustrating. No, philosophy isn't fiction "technically." I understand that you don't want it to go away, but you want to dismantle any notion of cultural value because this isn't individualistic. While this alleviates the responsibility of banishing fiction (and responsibility here is something symptomatic of our culture), it subordinates it to the economic requirements of a capitalist system that necessitates its obliteration (since it isn't economically practical). It's the responsibility of educators to insist that certain subjects be continuously taught so as to avoid their hegemonic dismissal by larger cultural movements.

Furthermore, students can't be allowed to decide what is "drivel." They don't have the expertise or the experience to know what texts have been elevated in the history of a culture, or what has been written about them, to effectively understand that realm of academia.
 
What? I don't see how I'm attempting to dismantle any value. As value is subjective, I can't dismantle your valuation of Canterbury Tales. Or the valuation of anyone else. Just because I find little value in something doesn't mean I wish it's expungement from consciousness. I don't like certain foods, I don't seek a ban on them. I just prefer not to eat them. I don't like certain books, I wish to not read them. You're response reminds me of the Pro-Drug-War crowd to calls to end the drug war. They can't fathom how you can support ending the drug war without being a drug user/wannabe.

It's the responsibility of educators to promote, not insist. Students are a part of culture. They have every right to elevate what they wish as those before and after them. Just because some choose to eschew Dickens or French doesn't mean others won't, or vice versa. It's like suggesting no one is going to make cars if we don't bailout GM.