Dakryn's Batshit Theory of the Week

I'll deal with your nonsense in a minute, but first I wanted to post this:

Obama Plans Major Shifts in Spending
By JACKIE CALMES and ROBERT PEAR
February 27, 2009

President Obama’s new budget blueprint estimates a stunning deficit of $1.75 trillion for the current fiscal year, which began five months ago, then lays out a wrenching change of course as he seeks to finance his own priorities while stanching the flow of red ink.

By redirecting enormous streams of deficit spending toward programs like health care, education and energy, and paying for some of it through taxes on the rich, pollution surcharges, and cuts in such inviolable programs as farm subsidies, the $3.55 trillion spending plan Mr. Obama is undertaking signals a radical change of course that Congress has yet to endorse.

The deficit he inherited, a shortfall of more than $1 trillion as the current fiscal year began, has continued to swell in recent months with additional bank bailouts, the first wave of spending from a newly enacted stimulus plan and the continuing costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The administration, as it had announced, will try to cut that amount sharply by 2013, when Mr. Obama’s first term ends, to $533 billion, even as it escalates spending on crucial priorities.

“There are times when you can afford to redecorate your house,” Mr. Obama said on Thursday morning as he released an outline of the budget for the next fiscal year, which begins in October, “and there are times when you have to focus on rebuilding its foundation.”

His administration will attempt to close the large fiscal gap even while starting a major health-care initiative intended to substantially extend coverage; to do so, it foresees increasing taxes on the wealthiest Americans and using revenue from a new program: selling carbon credits to manufacturers as part of a cap-and-trade plan meant to slow climate change.

Further savings would come from such items as a proposal to phase out government payments to crop producers making more than $500,000. Additional revenues are posited from a tightening of tax-code enforcement.

"Having inherited a trillion-dollar deficit that will take a long time for us to close, we need to focus on what we need to move the economy forward, not on what’s nice to have," Mr. Obama said. The budget plan projects the deficit falling to $1.17 trillion in 2010 and down to Mr. Obama’s goal of $533 billion in 2013, then increasing again to $712 billion by 2019. Mr. Obama takes credit for $2 trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years, three quarters of which comes from lower expenses in Iraq and Afghanistan and most of the rest from tax increases on the wealthy and revenues from a market-based cap on greenhouse gas emissions.

The forecasts are also founded on optimistic assumptions that the recession will end by next year and quickly produce stronger growth than was seen in the last decade. After the economy shrinks this year, the Obama team assumes that the gross domestic product adjusted for inflation will increase by 3.2 percent next year and then 4 percent or more the following three years, a rate nearly twice the average of the Bush years.

The budget projects slightly lower spending on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars to $130 billion in the 2010 fiscal year, then a much larger drop beginning in fiscal 2011, when Mr. Obama wants to have combat forces out of Iraq. The basic military budget in 2010 would be $534 billion in 2010.

Mr. Obama promised to include the full costs of the wars in all his budgets, saying that because of “dishonest accounting” past budgets have “not told the whole truth about how precious tax dollars are spent. Large sums have been left off the books, including the true cost of fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

The deficit, which at 12.3 percent of gross domestic product is expected to touch its highest level since 1945, could grow this year if the economy worsens significantly and a new infusion of capital into distressed banks is ordered; the administration has estimated that this might call for adding $250 billion to the cost of the bailout already approved by Congress.

"No part of my budget will be free from scrutiny or untouched by reform," Mr. Obama said, in a nod to critics who have suggested that the economic rescue package includes runaway waste.

"I don’t think that we can continue on our current course," he added.

Republicans quickly signaled deep skepticism about President Obama’s approach. Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, the House Republican whip, said Democrats should not “spend imaginary money” or increase taxes at a difficult moment.

“It is not just misguided but dangerous to raise taxes on small businesses and families that can’t afford to pay them,” Mr. Cantor said. “In fact, a majority of those penalized by the proposed tax increase in this budget are small businesses.”

The new proposal for the coming fiscal year and beyond includes many ambitious and costly programs that would have to be approved by Congress, including some that Republicans and fiscal hawks are likely to oppose.

The tax proposal to help pay for health care, coming after recent years in which wealth has become more concentrated at the top of the income scale, introduces a politically volatile edge to the Congressional debate over Mr. Obama’s domestic priorities.

The president also proposed, in the 10-year budget outline he released Thursday, to use revenues from the centerpiece of his environmental policy — a plan under which companies must buy permits to exceed pollution emission caps — to pay for an extension of a two-year tax credit that benefits low-wage and middle-income people.

The combined effect of the two revenue-raising proposals, on top of Mr. Obama’s existing plan to roll back the Bush-era income tax reductions on households with income exceeding $250,000 a year, would be a pronounced move to redistribute wealth by reimposing a larger share of the tax burden on corporations and the most affluent taxpayers.

Universal health care is worth that price, Mr. Obama said.

"We must make it a priority to give every single American quality, affordable health care," he said. "With this budget we are making a historic commit to comprehensive health-care reform."

The officials said the increase in revenues, estimated at $318 billion over 10 years, would account for about half of a $634 billion “reserve fund” that Mr. Obama will set aside in his budget to address changes in the health care system. The other half would come from proposed cost savings in Medicare, Medicaid and other health programs.

In a document summarizing its proposals, the White House said it would finance coverage for the uninsured in part by “rebalancing the tax code so that the wealthiest pay more.”

To narrow the deficits, the president proposed $636.7 billion in tax increases on the wealthy over the next 10 years, largely by reversing tax cuts passed by President George W. Bush on taxpayers who make $200,000 or more, or $250,000 for married couples. The top income tax bracket would return to 39.6 percent from 36 percent and capital gains and dividends for those over the income limits would be taxed at 20 percent.

The White House also proposed tax provisions that would raise $353.5 billion over 10 years by repealing credits and reductions for oil and gas companies, toughening tax collections and other changes in tax law.

On the other side of the ledger, Mr. Obama would cut taxes for lower- and middle-class Americans by $770.1 billion over 10 years and for businesses by $149.4 billion.

Among the most challenging areas for reducing spending are in the Pentagon’s accounts, which have been running at record levels as the wars continue, the military expands, and the costs of building new weapons escalates.

While the budget outline requests a small increase in basic military spending, the Obama administration has made it clear that it intends to shift some of the money from huge cold war-style weapons systems to smaller programs focused on fighting insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan and new threats to the nation’s cybersecurity.

Internal debate over which programs to cut is still so intense that Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates has taken the unusual step of requiring even the members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to sign agreements not to leak the details. But some clues have emerged, and military consultants say it seems clear that expensive missile defense systems and parts of the Army’s vast modernization effort will be cut back. Some also say that plans for a new Navy destroyer are likely to be scrapped.

In the short term, the White House said it would ask Congress in coming weeks for another $75.5 billion for the wars on top of the $65.9 billion already approved to get through the rest of the current fiscal year. It builds $130 billion in expenses for the wars into the 2010 fiscal plan but keeps it separate from the base Pentagon budget.

Beyond the assumption that cost of the wars fall over the next decade, the budget blueprint outlines few cuts in big-ticket spending. The most significant involve paring agricultural subsidies for wealthier farmers and eliminating intermediary costs for student loan programs. The blueprint also projects $316 billion in savings over 10 years from increasing efficiency and competitive bidding in Medicare and Medicaid programs.

Few individual departments, though, will see their budgets actually go down in 2010. Just 3 of the 15 cabinet departments will be cut from 2009 to 2010 — Energy, Health and Human Services and Justice. But energy and health are also getting huge infusions of money from the $787 billion economic recovery legislation just signed into law.

The State Department gets the biggest increase, rising from $36.7 billion this year to $51.7 billion next year, although Mr. Obama will not be able to keep his promise to double foreign aid.

The Obama budget promises a comprehensive effort to address global warming, slash oil imports and create a new “green” economy that produces millions of new jobs. The White House estimates that the effort, built around a cap-and-trade program to limit greenhouse gas emissions, will produce $150 billion over 10 years beginning in 2012 to finance renewable energy projects and potentially hundreds of billions of dollars more that will be returned to families, communities and businesses that suffer hardship as the result of higher energy prices.

However, Congress is in the early stages of debating global warming legislation program, and any revenue from it is still largely speculative.

The Department of Energywill have much more to spend, thanks in part to money from the stimulus package for research, weatherization programs and modernization of the electric grid this year and beyond. Also included in the current year are several billion dollars in aid for American automakers to design and build high-mileage cars. The Department of Interior budget grows slowly, with new money for park maintenance, endangered species protection and renewable energy projects.

At the Environmental Protection Agency, the budget projects a 34 percent spending increase for 2010, with much of the money devoted to clean water projects, a Great Lakes restoration program and across-the-board increases for regulation, research and enforcement.

Because utilities and other businesses would presumably pass on the costs of carbon payments to customers, Mr. Obama will propose to use most of the revenue from the greenhouse gas emission permits to finance an extension of the new “Making Work Pay” tax credit beyond the two years covered in the economic recovery plan.

That tax relief, the administration will argue, will offset households’ higher costs for utilities and other products and services from businesses’ passing on their permit expenses.

That tax credit will annually provide $400 to low-wage and middle-income workers or $800 to couples; Mr. Obama would like to increase those figures to $500 and $1,000. The credit phases out for those with incomes above $75,000 a year and for couples with incomes of more than $150,000; no benefit would go to individuals with more than $100,000 income and couples with $200,000.

The tax credit will begin showing up in the form of lower withholding for eligible workers beginning April 1.

The remainder of the projected revenue from the permits will finance Mr. Obama’s campaign promise to provide $15 billion a year over 10 years to subsidize research and development of alternative energy sources, officials said. The stimulus package included a multibillion-dollar down payment to develop a national electricity grid to harness and distribute energy from such sources, including wind farms.

Behind the numbers in Mr. Obama’s first budget is one of the most far-reaching domestic agendas in years, and at a time when the president and Congress are already grappling with an economic crisis worse than any in decades. The environmental permits would not take effect until 2012, at which point the administration expects the economy to have recovered. Similarly, some of the tax increases would not take effect until 2011.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/us/politics/27web-budget.html?_r=1&ref=business&pagewanted=print
 
I don't know what is worse, the talking out of both sides of his mouth on the deficit, or using a lie like global warming to create bad taxes.

Edit: I am not against "renewable energy", but the carbon tax is based on the lie. We do need to be independent of foreign oil, because we shouldn't be dependent on another country for a vital resource, not because of carbon.
 
The following is not the entirety of my opinions on the plan, of course (I still need to read some sections of it), but one thing that really bugs the shit out of me is this:

“It is not just misguided but dangerous to raise taxes on small businesses and families that can’t afford to pay them,” Mr. Cantor said. “In fact, a majority of those penalized by the proposed tax increase in this budget are small businesses.”

Are the Republicans just flagrantly lying through their teeth these days or what? This pretty much directly contradicts what the article says about the budget. Perhaps someone could explain to me what the hell the Republicans are talking about here, but it seems like they're just throwing a collective tantrum and shitting away any possible credibility they could have ever had.
 
The following is not the entirety of my opinions on the plan, of course (I still need to read some sections of it), but one thing that really bugs the shit out of me is this:



Are the Republicans just flagrantly lying through their teeth these days or what? This pretty much directly contradicts what the article says about the budget. Perhaps someone could explain to me what the hell the Republicans are talking about here, but it seems like they're just throwing a collective tantrum and shitting away any possible credibility they could have ever had.

TBH they already did that from 2000-2008.

On the flip side the budget is still bad, but for other reasons.
 
I don't know what is worse, the talking out of both sides of his mouth on the deficit, or using a lie like global warming to create bad taxes.

Edit: I am not against "renewable energy", but the carbon tax is based on the lie. We do need to be independent of foreign oil, because we shouldn't be dependent on another country for a vital resource, not because of carbon.

I really don't feel like getting into a global warming debate right now, but I do think you're full of shit on that claim, so I'd be interested to see what evidence you could post for it. We can't be 100% sure that human activity is causing global warming, but anyone with half a brain in the environmental science community seems to be in consensus that it's happening.

Regardless, the 'carbon tax' thing does seem pretty ridiculous to be bringing up at this point in time. We probably shouldn't be burdening our economy with environmental regulations when it's already tanking as it is.
 
A. Doesn't matter whether or not there appears to be a practical use for them or not in yours or other's opinion. Superior self defense or expensive fun on the gun range is good enough reason to me.

B. Which is another perfectly good example why we don't need to ban them.

Bottom line is it's unconstitunional to ban them.

Honestly I'm not sure I care about this ban either way. There's seriously no point at all in having them available to the general public, but on the other hand I can't argue that we're under some sort of assault weapon crime wave that would justify taking away another freedom.

In general though, we do have a much higher murder rate than other developed countries, and that's a good enough reason to make our gun control policies more restrictive overall. It shouldn't be done with outright bans, though - it should be based on things like military service, mental health, etc.

You may have a point with the Constitutional issue, although the relevance of the 2nd Amendment is pretty dubious these days, so I wouldn't call it a "bottom line" issue. Military technology has become ridiculous since the time of the Founding Fathers, and the idea of a "well regulated militia" having any meaningful role in our country nowadays is just absurd.
 
That budget sounds really good. I always laugh when I hear Republicans criticize democratic spending. Republicans spend much more, but instead of raising taxes to pay for it and spending on worthwhile things, they start wars and give it to their wealthy base. Fuck them Go Obama
 


If Ron Paul was president right now we would be fixing the economy instead of continuing to run the economy into the ground.

I'll get to global warming and AWB later when I have time
 
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Honestly I'm not sure I care about this ban either way. There's seriously no point at all in having them available to the general public, but on the other hand I can't argue that we're under some sort of assault weapon crime wave that would justify taking away another freedom.

In general though, we do have a much higher murder rate than other developed countries, and that's a good enough reason to make our gun control policies more restrictive overall. It shouldn't be done with outright bans, though - it should be based on things like military service, mental health, etc.

You may have a point with the Constitutional issue, although the relevance of the 2nd Amendment is pretty dubious these days, so I wouldn't call it a "bottom line" issue. Military technology has become ridiculous since the time of the Founding Fathers, and the idea of a "well regulated militia" having any meaningful role in our country nowadays is just absurd.

1. Regardless why someone may want a full auto weapon, the Fed has no constitutional basis to ban any type of gun. It infringes on our freedom and rights.

2. OUTLAWS DON't OBEY THE LAW ANY-FUCKING-WAY. It doesn't make it harder on the cartels or gangs, because they don't buy their shit from "Gun Dealers of America" anyway. They get their shit on the black market where they don't have to fill out endless amounts of existing forms and pass background checks etc etc.

3. Sure our murder rate is high, but how many murders are currently committed with fully automatic weapons? Taking away uncommon tools will not stop murder. Teaching concrete, not relative, values to kids and instilling a respect for human life in general will bring down the murder rate.

4. Relevance? A right to the best possible self defence is no longer relevant? :lol:

5. TBH, the purpose of a well regulated militia was to protect the states from an overbearing "federal" government (What the original 13 states had just got done fighting a war over).
You see how much good all our sophisticated weaponry did against guys with AKs/RPGs/ random explosives.
A war of occupation cannot be won, and a well armed population is an excellent home-land defense. It also keeps a potentially tyrannical government in check, which imo is the reason there is a constant assault on the right of a people to have weapons. When you can't defend yourself anymore you become a slave.

History is the best teacher for this lesson. Countries that ban or severaly restrict citizen weapon ownership soon kill large amounts of the population. Also, England is an excellent example of how banning weapons causes violent gun-related crimes to sky-rocket, not decline.

Gun Bans/Restrictions in History

England's failed attempt at gun-control

Outlaws dont obey the law, so passing laws to assist in stoping existing laws from being broken is retarded. The only reason a government doesn't want it's citizens to have guns is so that it can control them and not the other way around. Government should be by and for the people, not over and enslaving the people.
 
All I can say is that I feel a lot safer living in the UK than I ever would in most parts of the world where carrying of guns is normal. It always scares the shit out of me when I go to france or most of the rest of europe and see normal police carrying guns, let alone in America where it will be the general public.
 
I have no problem with household pistols or hunting rifles, but being able to carry a gun into the populus is absolutely absurd. The right to bear arms was actually necessary then, but now all the dumbass whitetrash of the midwest/south think that the right to bear arms means they should be allowed to bring their gun anywhere? Bullshit.
 
3. Sure our murder rate is high, but how many murders are currently committed with fully automatic weapons? Taking away uncommon tools will not stop murder. Teaching concrete, not relative, values to kids and instilling a respect for human life in general will bring down the murder rate.

I thought outlaws don't obey the rules?
 
Learn something about Keynes

The majority of our spending has nothing to do with increasing production, especially not production in the US. Not to mention Keynes even admitted his theory works best in totalitarian state (which we are not, at least not yet).

Your statement proves you have no concept about the fundemental flaws of our current economic policies or the severity and reason for our current predicament.

All I can say is that I feel a lot safer living in the UK than I ever would in most parts of the world where carrying of guns is normal. It always scares the shit out of me when I go to france or most of the rest of europe and see normal police carrying guns, let alone in America where it will be the general public.

Your individual feelings are not representative of reality, and way to not answer any of my points.
Also, it's not like everyone in America is walking around packing in plain sight (never seen anyone in my life carrying around a fully automatic weapon), in fact the majority don't. The point is: it is and should be the individual's choice.
Since you are from England I understand the mentality though.

Mathiäs;8082216 said:
I have no problem with household pistols or hunting rifles, but being able to carry a gun into the populus is absolutely absurd. The right to bear arms was actually necessary then, but now all the dumbass whitetrash of the midwest/south think that the right to bear arms means they should be allowed to bring their gun anywhere? Bullshit.

It's absurd why? And who says it isn't necessary now?

Mathiäs;8082321 said:
I thought outlaws don't obey the rules?

You obviously didn't understand what I wrote.
 
It's absurd why? And who says it isn't necessary now?



You obviously didn't understand what I wrote.

Um, do you live in constant fear of getting killed when you step outside of your house? I don't, even when I'm the bad areas of St. Louis. Come on. I'm not for getting rid of guns completely, but until our society has degenerated enough to where going outside is dangerous there is no need for everyone to be carrying a gun.
 
Mathiäs;8082626 said:
Um, do you live in constant fear of getting killed when you step outside of your house? I don't, even when I'm the bad areas of St. Louis. Come on. I'm not for getting rid of guns completely, but until our society has degenerated enough to where going outside is dangerous there is no need for everyone to be carrying a gun.

Did you read either of the links I posted? When a society takes guns away from the law abiding portion of the population, it will become more dangerous, either because of regular crime or because of a tyrannical government.

Anybody who thinks it's "necessary" to carry a gun is pretty obviously an idiot.

I'm sure the victims of the VT shootings would agree with you. :rolleyes: