"Deathgrind" to the lions

Henrik Main

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I recently browsed some posts on this forum, and I noticed that several people referred to something called "deathgrind". "Great," I thought, "another pointless sub-genre that only two persons know the definiton of". What in the name of all things sacred is "deathgrind"? Can't we just have death metal and grindcore? Why create 359735 subgenres of each genre? Death metal and grindcore are niche genres in the first place. Creating pointless subgenres just makes it harder for newcomers to extreme metal to learn more about extreme music. Now, what exactly is "deathgrind"? I read somewhere that Dying Fetus is deathgrind. Now, why can't we just call Dying Fetus DEATH METAL and live together in peace? What separates Dying Fetus, to, say, Decapitated (of course, there are differences, but they aren't THAT huge) Are Origin and Hate Eternal deathgrind? I lived happily thinking these were death metal bands, but then some guy claimed they were deathgrind. This must stop. NOW!

It's also fairly pointless to separate "brutal" death metal and "normal" death metal. (Brodequin being brutal, Decapitated being normal). The whole "Melo-death" thingy is OK with me, though, considering there are HUGE differences between In Flames and Immolation.

Also, goregrind. Argh. WHY? Why not just grindcore? We don't have to create subgenres for every lyrical niche there is.

Deathgrind to the lions,

henrikmain.
 
henrikmain said:
I recently browsed some posts on this forum, and I noticed that several people referred to something called "deathgrind". "Great," I thought, "another pointless sub-genre that only two persons know the definiton of". What in the name of all things sacred is "deathgrind"? Can't we just have death metal and grindcore? Why create 359735 subgenres of each genre? Death metal and grindcore are niche genres in the first place. Creating pointless subgenres just makes it harder for newcomers to extreme metal to learn more about extreme music. Now, what exactly is "deathgrind"? I read somewhere that Dying Fetus is deathgrind. Now, why can't we just call Dying Fetus DEATH METAL and live together in peace? What separates Dying Fetus, to, say, Decapitated (of course, there are differences, but they aren't THAT huge) Are Origin and Hate Eternal deathgrind? I lived happily thinking these were death metal bands, but then some guy claimed they were deathgrind. This must stop. NOW!

It's also fairly pointless to separate "brutal" death metal and "normal" death metal. (Brodequin being brutal, Decapitated being normal). The whole "Melo-death" thingy is OK with me, though, considering there are HUGE differences between In Flames and Immolation.

Also, goregrind. Argh. WHY? Why not just grindcore? We don't have to create subgenres for every lyrical niche there is.

Deathgrind to the lions,

henrikmain.
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I quite agree with you there
 
When someone says "death metal" I think of Entombed, Unleashed, Carnage, Grave and Dismember. Then again I'm Swedish. My point, assuming that I actually had one to begin with, must be that those bands sound quite far from Decapitated, probably more so than Decapitated differs from Dying Fetus.

...but the bottom line is that I don't really care.
 
henrikmain: I understand your sentiments very well.

I for one do distinguish between brutal and "normal" death metal. I can (in rare cases) understand why people refer to something as "death/grind" or "deathgrind". Could it be a nickname for brutal death metal with obscure/blurry/crappy guitar work? Someone will kill me for saying this. :) But I honestly don't know what the musical difference is between "grind core" and "gore grind". I am not really into that kind of music, maybe that's why.
 
Deathgrind = Death Metal + Grindcore

If a band has elements of both, it makes perfect sense to use that label. But I agree there are too many labels, and it's stupid when people think they know more about music because they know more about their invented genre than you do.
 
well deathgrind is a very distinct subgenre i'd say. Dying Fetus are NOT deathgrind in any real sense. They're death metal but they put in a lot of little grind and hardcore elements here and there, they don't grind nearly enough to be called deathgrind. Hate Eternal don't have much to do with grind, but Origin have some affinity to the label.

I mean sure, you're right, In Flames should be seperated from Immolation, Dying Fetus not necessarily from Decapitated, but that's ok because Dying Fetus aren't deathgrind. You DO however need to seperate Decapitated and Dying Fetus and Immolation from bands like Sikfuk, Enmity, Foetopsy, Devourment, Disgorge....just listen to them, you'd have to be deaf to not be able to mark clear and constant differences between the two groups, just as there are concrete differences necessitating different labels for death metal and melo-death bands.
 
i have a question. how in the hell are inflames death metal? even their heaviest stuff i dont see as death metal. that whole melodic death metal just sounds like thrash to me with swedish harmonies.

i to dont understand the seperation between death metal and grind. let alone death grind. here is how i see it. grind= inaudible death metal. cuz thats pretty much what it is. guys playing death metal faster than their talent allows with muddy tone hehehe. so maybe deathgrind is death metal with ok tone, not bad enough to be grind, but mediocre
~gR~
 
Yeah, deathgrind is just an unnecessary label the only thing I can think of is that it can distinguish between death metal bands that are more thrashy (like Malevolent Creation) and death metal bands that are more grindy (like Incantation).
 
Grindcore is not affiliated with Death Metal directly.....Grindcore is a hyperfast, heavy, often messily played evolution of punk. People only associate grind with metal and death metal because the two have been made hybrid by so many bands, and the speed shared by both can make distinguishing them confusing. But trust me, most pure grind had nothing to do with metal, with the possible exception of Repulsion.....and the two have been blended into the distinct subgenre of deathgrind. Generally, deathgrind music has longer songs than pure grind, is lyrically/thematically almost always death (violence, gore etc) as opposed to punk (political and social critique) and is played with more skill and dynamics. Pure grind tends not to have as many solos, complex rhythms, or much atonal guitar work. Deathgrind vocals are also far more commonly low, gurgly and guttural, and there's often spoken samples thrown into songs, as opposed to grind which is vocally usually screamers/yellers.

As for distinguishing deathgrind from death metal, most deathgrind is either, or alternates between, straightforward hyperblasting or/and sloppy-sounding chugs. Deathgrind can often shift tempos very quickly, but it's generally not complex or technical in arrangement, so bands like Decapitated and Dying Fetus you can instantly disregard. Deathgrind doesn't utilize melody, so you can disregard your melo-death stuff, but it usually has some hooks and slam-groove riffing if it's chugging away, and for the most part it's deliberately underproduced to sound crushingly heavy. If you want to hear what a deathgrind band sounds like, download some music by Foetopsy, Sikfuk and Enmity for example; you'll see exactly why you can't parallel it with bands like Immolation or Incantation or Dying Fetus or Decapitated etc etc etc.
 
Good post SculptedCold. Foetopsy, Enmity and Sikfuk are very good examples of what I understand as deathgrind. And it's good stuff, these bands qualify for my brutal death metal thread too. Foetopsy have the new Brodequin drummer who I like very much, I think I am gonna start my day with "Dyspartum".
:)
 
Nice work SculptedCold>>

I'll give my 2 cents - the simple version......

grind = death metal + punk - simple but heavy riffs, raw production, short songs, generally fast-paced, lots of blasting and catchy mid-tempos, vocals can be growling, shouting, screaming or a combination of all three. Lyrical themes range from political to funny to anything really. eg. Rot, Anal Cunt, Excruciating Terror, Birdflesh, Dahmer

goregrind = pretty much the same as grind but often with a more dirty/muddy sound, pitch-shifted gurgly vocals, often slower and even more simple in structure than grind, lyrics and themes are all gore-oriented. Horror movie samples often incorporated in songs or used for intros. eg. Neuro-Visceral Exhumation, Last Days of Humanity, Dead Infection, Squash Bowels

porngrind = pretty much the same as goregrind but with everything porn-themed. Porn samples, porn lyrics, porn artwork, you get the idea. Really good porngrind bands (IMO) are able to capture a really sleazy, dirty feeling to their music. eg. Gut, Purulent Spermcanal, Creamface, Mucupurulent, Rompeprop

then there's the newer "tech-grind" bands like Pig Destroyer, AgNb, Dillinger Escape Plan, Discordance Axis who are a combination of grindcore and tech death metal I spose.

ok I'm done now.
 
genocide roach said:
i have a question. how in the hell are inflames death metal? even their heaviest stuff i dont see as death metal. that whole melodic death metal just sounds like thrash to me with swedish harmonies.
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You're very right. In Flames at their most extreme is still pretty much like Kreator (vocals + thrash riffs + drumming) mixed with Iron Maiden (harmonies, etc) or something.
 
Grind isnt what you think, you are confusing grind with goregrind.....

goregrind = ultra fast death metal

grind = metal + punk + jazz + hardcore

I could name some bands if someone cares
 
Ive always viewed grindcore as death metal with heavy punk/hardcore influences and usually are very chaotic, not giving you time to breathe....as well as the stereotypical album consisting of 40 songs, usually in the 1:00 - 2:00 range.
 
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