Does "anyone" like Reroute?

Well, to make this thread a bit more DT-related, I must say I think the cover of R2R is definitely NOT the best of Sundin - just compare it to the sophistication of DD and you'll see it yourself. I wonder if he felt the half-assness of the music and "suited" the cover for it... :D

Anyways, about In Flames' downwards road, I didn't like Clayman much, but it still had a couple of great tunes; I just watched an anime-musicvideo of Noir and it had Bullet Ride as music - and it kicked ass (although I have seen some much better Noir-AMVs). I just hope they will make another "reroute" on the next album towards better music once again.

-Villain
 
In Flames is being discussed in this forum for the same reasons Megadeth is mentioned in a Metallica forum and vice versa...all these bands are intimately and inextricably intertwined. Megadeth, Metallica, Anthrax, Slayer, Exodus, etc. are to the Bay Area what In Flames, DT, Gardenian and other bands are to Gothenburg. I make no apologies for my choice of topic and discuss it freely.

How do you know that the time of the bands' influencing one another is passed? Unless someone here knows Jesper and Niklas's apartment numbers, people do tend to get together between tours and drink and jam all the time. Just because someone's name wasn't on the liner doesn't mean they didn't influence things. Hell, I'd say one of the biggest underrated contributors to all these bands, especially Arch Enemy, has been Fredrik Nordstrom's excellent production. Like Metallica's days with Flemming Rasmussen, I think his influence will always be overlooked. Unless someone video records the rehearsals and laying tracks to hard disk, who knows which ideas are whose.

As long as all these bands share a common heritage and all continue to be from the same place, there will be a connection. Band ties that are broken would for example be Sinergy and In Flames, in which Kimberly Goss brought in totally new people to deal with her moving out of Sweden to either Norway or Finland (I forgot exactly where Alexi Laiho is from, one of those two).

So, sorry, but, I like my discussion thread, and will continue to make it "Gothenburg-based", shall we say.

By the way, I think on some of the tablatures Martin Henriksson actually made them himself, which is a very cool gesture. I wish more people would do it, and if I ever make an album, I would definitely tab my own stuff so people would know that it's right. So, thanks Martin.
 
I could continue to argue, but I think it would be contradictory, given that I'm sick of these discussions.. so whatever, suit yourself
Oh but I did get a kick out of the phrase 'all these bands are intimately and inextricably intertwined' hahaha :wave: Thanks, I had a long day at work, and I needed that
 
Gums said:
I could continue to argue, but I think it would be contradictory, given that I'm sick of these discussions.. so whatever, suit yourself
Oh but I did get a kick out of the phrase 'all these bands are intimately and inextricably intertwined' hahaha :wave: Thanks, I had a long day at work, and I needed that

They are, through either influence or direct contact of members..no Metallica without NWOBHM, no NWOBHM without Sabbath, etc.

DT and IF would not exist without one another...

I think everyone is just starting to resent IF's commercialism and they're a bit annoyed when it breaks into DT's more "underground" atmosphere.

I like both bands, and yes, they are very intertwined.
 
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Reroute to Remain is good, but not really good, since some of the songs are easily forgettable. I like it about as much as Colony, but the rest of the albums are better.

On Villain's comment, I think the cover fits the album, fit to only some people's tastes. I like a lot of Niklas' work better, but I have yet to see any I dislike. I don't realy like the black on white art, but the white on black inside the booklet is nice. The main prolem with the dominant white is that it's bright and not pleasant to look at. THeold In Flames forum with the RTR setup was painful to look at for more than a few minutes. Now why can't we go back to the Clayman colors? *regains vision*

:)

Steve
 
Inflames626 said:
They are, through either influence or direct contact of members..no Metallica without NWOBHM, no NWOBHM without Sabbath, etc.

DT and IF would not exist without one another...

I think everyone is just starting to resent IF's commercialism and they're a bit annoyed when it breaks into DT's more "underground" atmosphere.

I like both bands, and yes, they are very intertwined.


The word choice was what made me giggle
 
I recall some big words like that on Skydancer...and as long as we're talking about stinkers of an album, we need to mention Haven, which if memory serves Niklas didn't do a damned thing on cept the art (if the liner credits for song writing is a guide to go by, which I don't think it is, but humor me)...for whatever reasons, Martin got his act together, and Damage Done is such a great record (again, "The Poison Well" and "I, Deception" should have been on the U.S. release, I don't believe in promoting some fans at the expense of others having to pay import fees).

What's Fredrik Johansson doing now? And he wasn't doing the solos on Dimension Zero's little "Penetrations from the Lost World" demo, I think Jesper just mentioned that the same name was a coincidence. As far as IF "selling out", as long as Jesper is still cranking out quality old school metal in side projects, I'll be happy, although I'm disappointed that I haven't seen Bjorn do anything on the side, as talented as he is. I swear, he seems to play drums as loose as Tommy Lee...

I like Niklas's art, but it kind of tends to be the same. It'd be nice to see him get over the collage thing he tends to like.

Oh, and, IMO, Projector was the best record. The first time I heard it, especially "Freecard", the loud bass and minimal guitar thing reminded me of Tool so much it isn't even funny. If Tool were Swedish.

Adam Jones and Niklas Sundin collaboration? Hmmm.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but is the video for "Monochromatic Stains" taken from a 1919 German film called "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari"? I had a university class on Weimar Germany, and it seemed familiar, with the old Tool-ish kind of stop motion, silent film, jerky stuff. Not quite NIN's "Closer", but...

Merci for the read. I always have a lot to say.
 
Inflames626 said:
I like Niklas's art, but it kind of tends to be the same. It'd be nice to see him get over the collage thing he tends to like.

Without getting into any other points...

Having a defined style to art is not the same as doing the same thing
over and over, like some unnamed band seems to do lately ;)

Besides, you haven't paid much attention to art it seems, pretty much
all artists have the same thing going for them, it's actually good, this
way when you see a piece of art you can almost always tell who made
it, also helps in that search for fame and money ;)
 
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Inflames626 said:
How do you know that the time of the bands' influencing one another is passed? Unless someone here knows Jesper and Niklas's apartment numbers...

Dunno about Jesper, but of course we know Niklas' apartment number... :Smug:

More seriously though, DT-members themselves are pretty damn tired to answer IF-related questions nowadays, so it would not be very polite to keep asking those same questions from them all the time. Naturally, discussing such things on the band's forum should be okay by all means - just don't expect everyone of us bothering about these "ages-old" things anymore.

And about Monochromatic Stains video, I don't think any parts of it are directly taken from any other film, but I do recall that Hypnagogia-guy (where is he, btw?), who directed it, mentioning that it was influenced a lot by those old German movies of that style (whatever it was called).

-Villain
 
Salamurhaaja said:
Without getting into any other points...

Having a defined style to art is not the same as doing the same thing
over and over, like some unnamed band seems to do lately ;)

Besides, you haven't paid much attention to art it seems, pretty much
all artists have the same thing going for them, it's actually good, this
way when you see a piece of art you can almost always tell who made
it, also helps in that search for fame and money ;)

It's more than IF doing the same thing. I remember going through The Mind's I and only listening to the first few seconds of each track, almost every starting chord was the same, with Insanity's Crescendo and Hedon being the only ones that really stuck out. But I later grew to love it. Still, I don't put the CD just to listen to Atom Heart 23.5 or whatever and Dissolution Factor Red...

It's very much all the same chord progressions, all the same diatonic minor third little melody runs, and always the same loose double bass 16th note lines underneath, although I will say that Anders Jivarp has one of the coolest approaches to drumming that I've heard in forever. I like his style and fills and whenever I'm programming drum lines I always try to put myself in his shoes...nearly as interesting as when Gene Hoglan was with Death for Individual Thought Patterns and Symbolic.

I've tried getting my friends into DT, and the main problem I've run into is that many of the songs sound the same. I wasn't so sure I was big on them adding Martin Brandstrom to the band, as a keyboardist can only do so much during heavy parts (if I remember, Roddy of Faith No More didn't play a single note on King for a Day, Fool for a Lifetime's "Digging the Grave", rather he played guitar on it with then Faith guitarist Dean Menta...)

But back to my point...I think a lot of Niklas's stuff is similar, cool for covers, yes, but as similar as Picasso's Cubist phase was, he still painted ultra-realistic pictures early on, and switched styles. I just wish Niklas would move on from the collage thing...again it's very NIN or Tool...

And my main point is, I realized from my brief foray into music school that people are continually running out of ideas for metal. The basic progressions are the same but only the voice or melody on top (in death metal's case, the barking of a single note over a changing melody line, never changing pitch) is the same. As much as I hated fusion and jazz and (attempting) to play it, it seemed much more vibrant and interesting, although it was dissonant to my ears that are very used to Maiden.

I'm not saying I could do any better than anyone else, but things have been pretty much the same now for death metal since the early 90's. Have we really moved on past a "really heavy Maiden" in a sense, or maybe even Slayer or Morbid Angel? I don't think so. All I've ever played is metal, but sometimes, when I sit down, I think of all the things I've written, and I think I've barely written anything that sounds different at all. Sometimes, metal sounds just as cliche as yet another 12 bar blues...and I think, not another E minor (or whatever you're tuned to) line again...

I really loved Damage and it's almost as good as Projector, the individual songs are so much stronger. But I really have to wonder where and how much farther our Eurometal heroes can go without being dragged into the Korn orbit...
 
Steve420 said:

By the way, did Niklas ever really mention why he never played in a side band with the IF guys? Even Niklas Englin was in In Flames for a while, and, while their styles are different, other than DT being a little more "black metal" to my mind, I see no reason why yet another Gothenburg side project couldnt be made on the weekends. These guys are productively musical rabbits anyway...it took them 4 years (96-00) to make some really great material in the time it took Metallica to digest shit they'd written in '95...

Of course, it will probably take me 25 years to cover it all, as I'm working on Sepultura's "Refuse/Resist" at the moment, don't count on me finishing "Fixxxer" anytime soon.

The next question will be why do I want to? I like Load Metallica and Dimmu Borgir at the same time...so...

Now Rage Against the Machine, yes, overrated.

And, I am extremely off-topic, but I figure staying in the same thread and confining my rambling to this one area would be better than infecting all other threads. I really wish I wrote opinion pieces for Kerrang! or something, all I seem to be doing is bitching about what I like and dislike, but it's fun, and those kind enough to indulge my opinion keep the fingers flying.

Thanks for the read...
 
lol, your posts are like reading the illuminatus trilogy, haven't seen anyone in my online life with so many topic changes in so few sentences :) but go on :D
 
Inflames626 said:
I like Load Metallica and Dimmu Borgir at the same time...so...

Ah, I think we have found the disease, Doctor, now we need to
isolate it and find a cure.
I suggest starting with a mild dose of Satyricon, moving on to
Agathodaimon and finishing with a bit of Virgin Black, that should
cure of this particular disease.
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