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What does drum trigger mean, No one has ever told me and i hear about it all the time.
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In short, what it does is plays out the bass drum at a certain volume, no matter how hard you play it. So, if you first kick softly, and then kick loud, they'll both be the same volume, therefore making you sound more consistent than you are.
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Ooo clever
but it could sound fake. and thats why i thought it sounded fake on puritanicle mis..... i thought it was a drum machine. thanks for the info!
but it could sound fake. and thats why i thought it sounded fake on puritanicle mis..... i thought it was a drum machine. thanks for the info!
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1. Frost
2. Neal Peart (put him on the list)
3. Mike Portnoy
4. Brann Dailor (put him on the list)
5. John Bonham (put him on the list)
2. Neal Peart (put him on the list)
3. Mike Portnoy
4. Brann Dailor (put him on the list)
5. John Bonham (put him on the list)
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Frosties said:
No thats wrong. Triggers are mainly used to get sounds that acoustic drums can't produce no matter what drum it is. It's basically making your acoustic set into an electric set. People use them becuase they like the feel of real drums but need electric sounds. Very few people use them to "cheat" and play faster double bass.
The plot thickens.....With today's technology, you have Electronic drum kits (such as Roland V-Drums) which are triggering samples of real acoustic drums that the AVERAGE listener cannot tell the difference. You also have various samples of other types of sounds at your fingertips as well which is very cool.
If you want to hear a drummer who incorporates both, check out Pat Mastelotto of King Crimson. He is truly a modern drummer who has his shit together.
If you want to hear a drummer who incorporates both, check out Pat Mastelotto of King Crimson. He is truly a modern drummer who has his shit together.
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I'd go with Gene the Machine.
Anyone who puts Portnoy anywhere at the top of that list does not have much of an idea of what a good drummer is.
Anyone who puts Portnoy anywhere at the top of that list does not have much of an idea of what a good drummer is.
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Portnoy goes nuts. A lot. He does have some nice work in sideprojects, but in general I think he goes all-out too much rather than trying to compliment the other instruments he's kinda the center of attention.Keith! said:I'd go with Gene the Machine.
Anyone who puts Portnoy anywhere at the top of that list does not have much of an idea of what a good drummer is.
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I'd have to put Josh Freese on that list as well. He is one of the most precise drummers on the planet.
That shit IS funny. His drumkit has been miniaturized since the days of ...And Justice For All.Ben_Bids_You_Farewell said:
Ok, so I have to disagree with you twice here. First, you would say that Lopez' creativity outshines Danny Carey's? Also, have you heard Devin Townsend's Terria? Hoglan can do mellow stuff quite well. He's huge...and smokes too. That shows his ability as a drummer. He doesn't really have to exert himself to achieve his goal. It's all in the mechanics.Liquid Diamonds said:I would pick Martin Lopez from that selection, but only because I think his creativity as a drummer outshines the rest of them. I have a HUGE soft spot for Gene Hoglan though, so I would probably pick him second. Yeah, i know he can't do mellow [stuff] for shit, but anyone who can play that fast and be that fat gets my vote
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thomas lang, he is a pop drummer, and has played for people like kylie minogue, but he can out metal the most metal players. anyone who has seen his instructional dvd's will be able to re-affirm this
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Oh man, my friend has his DVD and i can deffinatly re-affirm what you say.
This guys got the most incredible feet.
But just overall probably the most technically skilled drummer ive ever seen.
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Peart uses triggers on his kit too, I'm pretty sure. I know I saw some kind of Roland thing on the Rush in Rio DVD, and I know that he discussed it on the documentary, but I can't remember what exactly it is.
Triggers essentially are samples that are triggered when a drum is hit and replace the original drum sound, hence, triggers. Barker, from what I've read of interviews with Tony Laureano (who took over for Barker in Borgir for touring), triggered his entire kit. Most likely because without triggers, he can't pull off half of the stuff he does. Most death metal drummers only trigger their kicks. As for why, I'm assuming they mostly do it for clarity reasons, which is something that Laureano also touches on.
"The thing about about triggers is that they are a tool to help your sound be clearer. Theyre not going to magickly make you play better, and in reality, its harder to play with them since any mistake you do make is clearly audible. The only way triggers might help a drummer cheat is if he hits the drums softly, as the triggers will make the hits sound powerful and consistent, but music is obviously audio based, its all about what you hear anyway, so how much you can say that using triggers is cheating when the notes are being played correctly is relative.
Personally, I only like to trigger the bass drums, as I love a good natural drum sound. I dont care if its the best trigger unit in the world, nothing is going to sound as good as a drum that is perfectly tuned. The thing with the bass drums is that 1) its very difficult to get two bass drums to sound exactly the same, and 2) most times, double bass at higher tempos sounds like ass through a PA unless its triggered. To get a good consistent sound for double bass without triggers you need good soundgear (speakers, compressors, gates, etc.) and an excellent soundman, and even then, as the show progresses, the drummer will start getting tired, and while he may continue to play perfectly, the power of the strokes on the faster parts wont be as strong as they were at the begining of the show, and theres not much a soundman can do about that, because if he tries to raise the parameters for the kickdrum sound on the faster bits, as soon as the drummer comes back to a part with a slower tempo, the kick drums will be too loud because now the drummer will be playing with his natural power. With the triggers, its as easy as getting them to sound good, and thats that. Consistent sound all night long.
As far as the snare and the toms, I dont like to use triggeres for those, as they just tend to sound fake and, to me anyway, lifeless. However, on the new Aurora Borealis, a sample was mixed with my snare drum just to make the sound thicker. Initially, the playing was very consistent, even at the higher tempos, and even now you can hear the natural snare over the sample. The only reason it was used was because the sound of the snare itself was a bit thin. And thats a perfect example of using the tools of technology to help the overall sound of the recording. Theres no cheating about it since I still hit the drum with volume even on the fast parts. The thing is that no matter what, that snare drum was never going to sound like it does now without the sample."
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