ENGLs.... Framus, amps in general.

ok i deserved that but if more albums used VHT cabs we would be hearing alot better guitar tones!

Id even take greenbacks over v30s not to say greenbacks suck i actually really like em. just dunno v30s never done it for me i always got this fucked up mid range honk from them and i could never get rid of it and this was in more than 1 cab.

Vht stills seems to be on the underground side of things i dont think many producers have got round to them yet.
 
Ive heard VHT's sound "marshally" and the Deliverance is realllll low on features...

hard to argue on its sake with that in mind, I guess... especially comparing it against some other heavy hitters. $ for $
 
which unearth record are you talking about? all i know is that the oncoming storm, while being an imo subpar record, had a killer guitar tone...all 5150. i have absolutely no idea if that's an old record or the newest one, though ;-)

anyways, i've owned a blackmore (back then i thought it was pretty bad actually, very bright, but well, i used to play thrash metal tuned to D, nowadays i'm down to C and more like melodic modern metal or something, so frankly i'm thinking about getting another one :) very defined, nice cleans, not exactly versatile when you're playing metal, but a rock player would love it), currently own a 5150 (great amp, not as defined as the others but very heavy and full sounding. great leads. cleans suck, though :D ) and a cobra (awesome cleans, great rhythms, great leads, pricey), and my other guitar player is using a powerball (quite heavy sounding, versatile, especially when paired with a decent fx unit, without i find the clean and lead sounds to be somewhat boring and sterile...heavy rhythms, though!)...haven't tried a vht or the jsx yet.

check out www.myspace.com/backslashmetal for an idea of how those amps sound , the newest song "desperation" features both the 5150 and the powerball for rhythms and the framus for leads. cleans are powerball. all straight in, no boosts etc.
 
reneisgod said:
Id stay away from Celestion V 30s I have no idea why they get so much praise in here. I had them in an Engl cab and it sounded gay up next to the VHT.
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Wow, V30's now have a sexual orientation - stop the presses! :rolleyes: Personally, I'm content to stick with what has worked for almost all of my favorite tones, and if I can't get them to sound good, then the problem is probably with me, not the speakers...
 
lol.

Either way... this is becoming an informative thread!

Still no word on those Invaders though, eh!?
 
creel said:
ENGL Invader is a kick ass amp. Very brutal and nice. But for metalcore there are better amps I think.
You can hear the Invader here:
http://home.no/creal/englinv.mp3 :)
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Sounds very cool dude.

The riffing is great and you seem to like them squealz :) The vibe reminds me of some Pantera/Rebel Meets Rebel at times.
I'd like to hear more of it... is it your band ?

The tone is cool but doesn't sound so ENGL though... what was the signal chain ? Which channel did you use on the Invader.
 
Djabthrash said:
Sounds very cool dude.

The riffing is great and you seem to like them squealz :) The vibe reminds me of some Pantera/Rebel Meets Rebel at times.
I'd like to hear more of it... is it your band ?

The tone is cool but doesn't sound so ENGL though... what was the signal chain ? Which channel did you use on the Invader.
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THe main tone sounds like channel two and the more hollow tone sounds like channel 3.

The Invader is capable of producing a huge variety of killer tones. Four channels with separate EQ's, volume and gain, two master volumes etc.

And the cool thing is that the hi gain mode totally changes the way the channels sounds, so there is a lot you can do with the amp. Yeah it has more than enough gain even without the hi gain mode, but like I said, the high gain mode changes the way the channels are voiced thus creating new tonal possibilities.

It sounds awesome when playing metal, I was jamming with a friend of mine who is a drummer, and he was constantly amazed of how clear and articulate my tone was. And I was using my 7-string!

Channel two for a thicker wall of sound, channel three for a more scooped tone, channel four for liquid leads. And if you want the amp to sound more organic and not as compressed, just turn the hi gain mode off. Channels 2,3 and 4 will still have enough gain for pretty much any imaginable thing. And this amp does not need a boost pedal!

I was a bit lost at first since I had to learn how all the modes etc. effect the tone. It takes some time to learn how to tweak this amp.

I'll try to post some sound clips later.
 
Invader clip here it goes: http://www.soundclick.com/tomir

Ignore the crappy drums :loco: The tracks were never meant to be used, just me testing the drum mics I had at the time.

No EQ on the guitars, just low pass at 10khz and 12khz.

There is still a lot of room for improvement when it comes to tweaking the Invader, but I am getting there.

The clip is just to show the Invader in action so the mix is quite rough, some clipping, natural snare etc. but well, it's just something I got together pretty quickly. The kick is totally replaced though, the Fear Factory sample :headbang:

I personally like a Nevermore'ish guitar tone, that dark and mean, so the low pass filter was set to achieve that kind of sound.

The gear was: Schecter Hellraiser C7 w. EMG 707 -> ENGL Invader 100 -> Mesa Rectifier Standard 4X12" -> Shure Sm57 -> Focusrite Saffire PRO 26
 
So would it be reasonably accurate to say the VHT's and ENGL's share a Dry, Tight distortion character?

I got my PittBull 45 last month and I love it so much! Tighter than a 9 y/o Laotian boy and very clean, warm, articulate. The cleans are perfect I think. The PB 45 isn't supposed to be a 'metal' amp but it totally gets awesome thrash tones with no outboard help. Add a boost or OD and I'm pretty sure it'll do your Cannibal Corpse stuff too. I'm all about the mids these days so I haven't messed with the 'Metal Grin EQ' sound ( aka scooped mids ) but I'm sure it'll do it. Just might not have the power to make 8 x 12s pound. The heads PittBull UL/CL are KT88/EL34 respectively though and I'm sure they'd serve it up proper. Just get the EQ option for sure.
 
reneisgod said:
You can’t go wrong with the vintage 30 speakers either
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and this is what he posts in another topic :lol:

they suddenly turned gay after that it seems...

I'm starting to like my triple recto + boost + traditional cab alot lately, not too much a fan of the Engl's, had a Laboga Mr. Hector too, but missed some tonal varation on that amp and thought it had weird mids, like a wah or something..

think you can't go wrong with the good old classics like peavey 6505 or recto + tubescreamer.
 
TomiR said:
Invader clip here it goes: http://www.soundclick.com/tomir

Ignore the crappy drums :loco: The tracks were never meant to be used, just me testing the drum mics I had at the time.

No EQ on the guitars, just low pass at 10khz and 12khz.

There is still a lot of room for improvement when it comes to tweaking the Invader, but I am getting there.

The clip is just to show the Invader in action so the mix is quite rough, some clipping, natural snare etc. but well, it's just something I got together pretty quickly. The kick is totally replaced though, the Fear Factory sample :headbang:

I personally like a Nevermore'ish guitar tone, that dark and mean, so the low pass filter was set to achieve that kind of sound.

The gear was: Schecter Hellraiser C7 w. EMG 707 -> ENGL Invader 100 -> Mesa Rectifier Standard 4X12" -> Shure Sm57 -> Focusrite Saffire PRO 26
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Sounds cool.

The recto clip sounds a tab better mixwise (sounds clearer, especially the low-end) but i guess it's due to you being used to tweak the Recto already...

I prefer the Invader tone slightly since it seems to sound a bit more organic. Though i find the lows to be a bit muddy/boomy on your clip, but i'm a high mid crunchy chunky tone kinda guy so... Your tone sounds very Nevermore-ish on both clips.
 
Djabthrash said:
Sounds cool.

The recto clip sounds a tab better mixwise (sounds clearer, especially the low-end) but i guess it's due to you being used to tweak the Recto already...

I prefer the Invader tone slightly since it seems to sound a bit more organic. Though i find the lows to be a bit muddy/boomy on your clip, but i'm a high mid crunchy chunky tone kinda guy so... Your tone sounds very Nevermore-ish on both clips.
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Yep, The Recto clip was a bit better mixing wise, it still has guitars with only a low pass filter added. Both of the tracks are very rough when it comes to mixing, since they were only made to test the guitar tones.

Like I mentioned, I am still learning in getting a good tracked tone out of the Invader. I have had the Recto for over a year now, so I am somewhat used to it :lol: I still find myself learning new tricks with it though, since it really is capable of a huge range of tones.

I found that the EMG 707's and the Invader don't really sound good together, since the 3rd channel on the Invader + the 707's= hollow low mids. It sounds pretty thin, but it has a lot of low end in the 100hz region where it's not that desired.

I should try tracking the Invader with a tubescreamer, because the 707's don't really sound that good by themselves, at least with the amps I have! Too hollow in the mids and too much low end. I gotta try tracking the amp with a TS tomorrow. And maybe try my Orange PPC412, since it has more mids than the Mesa cab.

The Recto really needs the TS to tighten it up when playing low tuned metal, so maybe it helps with the Invader as well, giving it a healthier midrange and cutting the lows a bit.
 
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