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anyone analyze them?

"Open wide and eat the worms of the enemy"

who's the enemy here? one of the enemies of reality? or reality itself? who is doing the feeding?

i'm confused on this point because i was thinking thus:

"reality" = the strongest drug, that makes us blind. it's the "ignorance that hides the sun," the sun being a symbol of truth (or is it? because "The sun in my hand becomes my despair/For I still want the truth" implies that it's not.)

reality's enemies are: "the nothing grating against the norm" and "the something that will not conform." do they feed [us] the worms, or does reality? who do they feed the worms to?

"These curious moments of shattered clarity/Stained, sentient portraits of our damaged sanity" --is this when we see through reality, or through the ignorance that hides the sun (these might be opposite things, i don't know)? does this happen when we stop eating the worms? or when we're fed the worms?

"The enemies of reality bring the sickness/Of cleansing genius" --is this good or bad? cleansing implies good, sickness not so good. i guess he's ambivalent ;). what does this have to do with the stuff above and with "never purify," which is basically the same as cleansing?


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i thought all the connections between the songs were interesting.

"We are cold when we are strong/In one breath we can still grow"

"In the cold embrace of the unknown/Not even blood could bring us warmth"

"We are the enemy"

who are the "us" and "we"? the enemies of reality? because reality is also an enemy, that of its enemies, which are the enemies of reality! that is, reality (a) and enemies of reality (b). a is the enemy of b, and b is the enemy of a. both are enemies. so which one is WD referring to? does he refer to both in different places by the same pronouns?

"Breeding your deception without eyes"

"What are we but men without eyes?\Swimming through the poison of design"

we're blind? i can't help but think of sperm cells when i hear these lines. they don't have eyes; they're blind. they swim. poison of design could be semen? could be the world? creation? "Leaching the force of collective design" --collective design is reality? are worms blind? i can't find my DNB booklet, but what does it say about the worms in "deconstruction"?

"the masses love the death show"
"Packaged and processed the masses are force-fed"
"Heroes and rapists they all have nice faces"

--stuff we see on TV?

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the themes i picked up:

1. similar to "poison godmachine," in the sense that the media are evil and the tv lies.

2. regret, as in "noumenon," and "seed awakening." also implied in "tomorrow..." by "To regain the vision that my freewill once cast aside," "I see the fault of the steps that I mislaid," "I see the fault in a chance that was never taken," and "But did we learn, where we went oh so wrong," "Forgive yourself, for no one else will die for your crimes" (leave jesus out of this, i think he's saying).

3. misanthropy, "We are the useless by-products of soulless meat," "Another animal in this zoo our creator betrayed," "I analyze/All the aspects of humanity that I despise," etc.

4. comments on the world/life: "our perdition," "There is no stronger drug than reality," "life teaches us to be stoned or ashamed," "In this wasted miracle, the outcome so terminal," "Rags and ruin of all that was human," "There is no god/There is no fashionable deliverance," "The patterns spin in random order," etc.

5. religion: "Forgive yourself, for no one else will die for your crimes," "There is no god/There is no fashionable deliverance," "Losing faith once again," "self-immolation can never purify," "Another animal in this zoo our creator betrayed/If you don’t feel the lesson, you’re blind and deaf my son," "I am not your savior," "If you view life as a mission/For truth and purity in vision/You can become as the anointed," "salvation’s fucking dead," "Create the infinite and expand the question/Count to number seven/Your day of rest creates infection, your imperfection," "The waves ran as the storm came/The lightning in the distance signaled the coming crushing days/The sky was brooding and beautiful/And the gulls sailed like recycled fragile entities/The waves bled as the storm changed/In the cold embrace of the unknown/Not even blood could bring us warmth," "The pleasured and the pained pray their sins are gone/They can’t reach heaven, the truth’s brutal lesson," etc.

6. truth: "Truth has become media controlled," "For I still want the truth," "For truth and purity in vision," "They can’t reach heaven, the truth’s brutal lesson."

7. coldness

any others?

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i apologize for the lack of organization and the repetition.
 
I've been told by a greek, that the word "Noumenon" is greek for:
That, what is meant to be... or how it was meant..

It's an intention.
The intention, as how i see it, is to purify and find the truth.
The truth, is beyond within...it becomes sentient.
To actually feel, pick up the intentions...when some one or something makes sense to you. (open communication, i said it before...but i don't say, it has to be done with words only).
That brings up ambivalence, when you can see, hear,feel the truth in good and in evil.. up to you to decide what you wanna do with it.
As for me? I saw the beauty in darkness, let's keep it that way..
(i wish i could have words to describe what i feel..but i can't..it's a stained sentient portrait.. all i know, is that i love the flow)...

-x-
Iris
 
Iris said:
I've been told by a greek, that the word "Noumenon" is greek for:
That, what is meant to be... or how it was meant..

My theory: the enemies of reality = noumena
reality = phenomena

Why do you ask a Greek for the definition of an English word? Anyway, Greek word is "noien," which means “to apprehend, or conceive.”

Noumenon = the intellectual conception of a thing as it is in itself, not as it is known through perception; the opposite of phenomenon. See http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1781941#post1781941


Dictionary: http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861683964

1. object of intellect: something beyond the tangible world that can only be known or identified by the intellect, not by the senses


2. independent object in Kantian philosophy: in Kantian philosophy, something that exists independently of intellectual or sensory perception of it, for example, the soul in some beliefs


From encyclopedia:
In the philosophy of Immanuel Kant, a noumenon or thing in itself (German Ding an sich) is an allegedly unknowable, undescribable reality that, in some way, lies "behind" observed phenomena. Noumena, plural, are sometimes spoken of, though the very notion of individuating items in "the noumenal world" is problematic, since the very notions of number and individuality are among the categories of the understanding, which are supposed to apply only to phenomena, not noumena. "Phenomenon" is another technical term in Kant's philosophy, meaning the world as experienced.

One of the most difficult problems for Kant's philosophy is explaining the relationship between the noumenal and phenomenal worlds. On Kant's view as expressed in his Critique of Pure Reason, reality is structured by so-called "concepts of the understanding," or innate categories that the mind brings to make sense of raw unstructured experience. Since causality and number are among these categories, it is problematic to say that there are "many" noumena that individually "cause" us to have perceptions of phenomena. But if the noumenal is not the cause of the phenomenal, then what is the relationship?

However that might be, it can be said that on Kant's view the noumenal is radically unknowable. Whatever concept we might want to use to categorize some noumenon or noumena, it is Kant's view that that is only a way of categorizing phenomena, so that it is something of a mystery about how we might cognize, or think about, things in themselves at all.

In large part due to the theoretical baggage of the jargon, "noumenon" is used by philosophers almost exclusively to describe this concept in Kant's philosophy.
 
Well, i now found out why i never mastered in psychology.. :ill:
I'll have to trust you on this one, Darth...for i might understand it but i'm not capable of defining that line.
And btw, i didn't asked for that definition about Noumenon...it was told to me and it brought up a memory.
Which (that memory), correct me if i'm mistaking myself here, is a phenomena.

I have the feeling this will puzzle me for the next couple of weeks...
Tricky, i say..tricky!! :hypno:
WD and his witty mind!! AARGGHH!!! ;)

-x-
Iris
 
Wolftribe said:
someone should make a strawberry jam called Noumenon.
That's too funny.

I wonder who wouldn't buy it just because they'd sit for a solid fifteen minutes, "Noume....neeeewwommmme.....new-ohm-men......forget it....where's the Smuckers???"