Focusrite Liquid Channel...

[metalizer]

As you mention everyone´s entitled to their opinion and you´r entitled to yours, Yes you can find micpres and compressors that are just as good or even better than some of the liquid channel´s presets, but alot of them are much more expensive and less flexible and we are not just talking about a channelstrip we are talking about a whole arsenal of great micpres , compressors and a great eq,and it also include a great software controler which makes it more easy to use in a computerbased studio than all the old hardware you mention (not that i have anything against those units )and at it´s price i still think it´s the best investment if we are talking channelstrips.All the multi platinum award winning users and leading reviewers are wrong and you are right , is that what you are saying?Yes i´m not a profesionel , but i know great equipment when i hear it , you work at a studio where some of the originals are availeble good for you , if
.you talk about the negative aspects of using presets and i totally agree.

 

[006]

Just to clarify for Exsanguis, a channel strip means more than just one preamp. Since the Liquid Channel has but one input, it isn't a channel strip, but simply a one channel preamp.

The fact does remain that I have worked with API pre's, comps, and eq's before, and they did sound amazing. I have also worked with Manley, Grace, Mellenia, Avalon, Great River, Focusrite's Red series, and even a vintage Telefunken V76. The thing is...I have actually heard, and hell....even used them myself, and they all sound simply amazing. I have never heard anything other than Focusrite's demos (which I don't trust anyway) using the Liquid Channel, and it wasn't impressive, to me. Thats why I wanted to know what others thought, in the hopes that somebody that has used one or owns one could possibly post a clip or something so that I could hear it being used by real people. So far it's leaning toward the API lunchbox, until I hear an actual clip of the LC. Then I will debate with myself more. Until then, lunchbox it is. Yep.

~006

 

[Exsanguis]

006 - Correction, a channel strip is a piece of gear that includes a preamp, a compressor, and an EQ(usually) all in one, thus making the LC a channel strip.

Metalizer - First: "All the multi platinum award winning users and leading reviewers are wrong and you are right , is that what you are saying?" Umm, I never said that. Actually, I specifically said that it didn't do it for me, and if it does for you or anyone else, cool. Go for it. I'm not forcing my opinion as truth. I'm sure all those pro's immediately reach for their Liquid Channel when they want an API, Neve, or Daking, or any other sound(which, in my opinion, is great on everything). Riiiight. Secondly, if one can only afford spending 3,300 bucks, they will DEFINITELY do a lot better off having multiple pre's, comps, or whatever they need. They are EASILY able to find gear of a completely equal quality level to the LC at these lower prices. In buying multiple pre's, comps, or whatever, this person is giving themselves the possibility of using two or more mics at once, with both of them having great sounds. This is a MUCH better value to someone with a limited budget and hopefully growing studio. Now, if you only have $3,300 and are only going to be recorded single mic's, and you NEEEEEED tons of different flavors, then go for the LC. I'll be perfectly content spending less on an equally great sounding(if not better, but again my opinion) preamp and compressor, so I can spend more money on other pieces of gear. Finally, the comment on my listening choice was entirely out of line, immature, and frankly, ignorant. Calling someone "gay" because of a band that they're listening to is ridiculous, not to mention entirely disrespectful. To be honest, you're quite lucky I even took the time to dignify your response with an answer. In defense of Ark, I think that they're a group of superior and tasteful musicians, playing accessible but still interesting music, with great production. To me, that is enough "justification" for listening to them. If anything, your ignorance and immaturity have lessened the value of your above argument and opinion, as someone so closed-minded, stubborn, and childish as your statement made you seem is definitely not the fairest judge of anything. Grow up.

 

[Brett - K A L I S I A]

Calling someone "gay" is not very cool anyway because being gay is not something to be ashamed of. And this kind of speaking is not, at least that's what I think (I guess many will second me on this), very welcomed here. Let's keep it clean, even if our opinions differ... Mmmm'kay ?

P.S. : Ark is fantastic !!! Too bad they have splitted...

 

[metalizer]

if someone wants a dual micpre and a dual compressor then that is what they should buy, but if they want different units to choose from and only needs one great channel which also includes a great eq, then they should buy a channelstrip. I know you don´t agree on this, but i´m not the only person in the world who have bought a channelstrip, i mean if channelstrips are obsolete why do they keep making them and why are the leading production magazines filled with channelstrips advertises, you make it sound like it´s only for stupid people.Also the lc is a good way to get to know the simulated units, they might not sound exacly like the originals but in my ears they are damn close.Personly i also prefer working in an all digital invioment, and that´s one of the things i like most about the lc, you may think that i´m childish and stupid and ignorent,And for the record i have been doing my own radioprogram for over five years now and met everyone from Maiden to Dream theater to Morbid angel so i think i know a thing or two about metal music. award winning producers and top reviewers think the lc sounds more or less identical to the originals and you don´t think it comes close to sounding like the originals, then it sounds to me like you´re saying that they are wrong, am i wrong( don´t answar that)

 

[Exsanguis]

I've never argued against channel strips. I use a bunch of them every day. I also have never said that "I don´t think it comes close to sounding like the originals". It sometimes comes very close to the originals, so much so that in many circumstances it doesn't matter whether it is the original or the Liquid Channel. Other times, however, it falls quite a bit short. Specifically, I found that overdriving/distorting it doesn't yield the same cool kind of distortion found in many original mic pre's/channel strips, and the response from the LC still falls short when simulating tube pre's, as it isn't nearly dynamic enough. I'm not sure where you get this idea that "the award winning producers and top reviewers all think the lc sounds more or less identical to the originals," because not all of them do. I think you're exagerrating juuuuust a little. Just because a Grammy award winning producer says that he "uses it all the time, and would never work a session without it," doesn't mean that it's true. I know tons of musicians, producers, engineers, sports stars, you name it who endorse products but don't actually use them. Many are just complete Gear sluts.

PS - Congratulations on meeting all those famous metal stars. Boy, you must know a lot about metal!

 

[metalizer]

Congratulations on having all that equipment at your disposel boy you must know alot about producing!Since you know so much about production it would be really cool to hear some of the bands you have recorded, would you care to share a few names?I´m not saying that you haven´t done anything cool i would just like to hear some of the material you have done, Or are you exagerating juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust alittle. The top producers and reviwers i´m talking about are the ones who use it or have reviewed it, you might know some people who dislike it , but have you read just one bad review about the lc ? P.s. you really try your best at making me look stupid i totally respect that, i really think your a funny guy(i mean that) we should get together one day for a beer and and some romantic music do you like Mortician or Suffocation?

 

[Exsanguis]

I've never made any exaggerations about what I work with. I primarily produce and engineer music for commercials, as well as doing some freelance work at certain studios around town(new york). Although my primary musical interest is metal, I have to work with whatever comes my way, so I'm either engineering nameless unsigned metal acts, or indie label folk music groups, or any other group that has the money to buy studio and engineer time. Although the work itself isn't exactly Arch Enemy or Testament, I enjoy doing it as it allows me to use, experiment with, and learn about gear that I'll more than likely never be able to afford. My boss, who can afford these pieces of gear, is always doing some huge gear shootout or A/B session in his free time, so I have been able to develop my ears as well as my knowledge that way. I'll never say that I'm an amazing engineer or producer, as I have a long ways to go. But I can safely say that I do have plenty of experience in all areas of production. It doesn't take a big name producer to offer educated, experienced, and unbiased advice.

 

[Exsanguis]

PS I'll go for that beer with Suffo and Mortician, seen em both several times(suffocation with behemoth was AWESOME).

 

[metalizer]

I´m starting to like you should we bury the hatchet for this time

 

[Exsanguis]

I concur, and Gordian Knot is SOOOO GOOD. Sean Malone = the man.

 

[006]

006 - Correction, a channel strip is a piece of gear that includes a preamp, a compressor, and an EQ(usually) all in one, thus making the LC a channel strip.

I stand corrected, hehe.

 

[Genius Gone Insane]

Let's keep it clean, even if our opinions differ... Mmmm'kay ?

HAHA HA HAHA HAHA
That's hysterical!