good music colleges?

MX582 · Oct 10, 2006

well its my senior year in highschool and i need to apply to some colleges..i plan on majoring in music production and engineering.
ive already applied to Berklee college of music but just incase i dont get in i need some back ups.. ive been trying to find some colleges with good music production programs up to par with berklee but im having trouble finding them. Any of you guys know any good schools?

Remy_5150 · Oct 10, 2006

Berklee is a great school, I took some classes there...its a great place to make connections, and its actually very easy to get in. I chose NYU because they have two great recording programs, and I wanted to go to school with more than just musicians (I think I would go crazy). USC has a good program, as does University of Miami. But in the US, NYU and Berklee have the best programs. If you're looking at NYU, check out the Music Technology major in Steinhardt, or anything in the Clive Davis school of recorded music.

Ermz · Oct 10, 2006

I'm not sure how things function in the US, but if it's anything like here, you'd be best off saving your money and investing it in some gear and getting out into the real world, gaining experience that way.

My experience with these colleges is that they eat up your cash, but don't give very big returns. You can just as easily network with people if you buy yourself a mic kit and hit the live scene. That consequently leaves your options open to approach bands and offer them 'free' recording time... as in, they pay for booking the studio, but no engineering fee. So you'll do a few sessions for free, but come off much better for it in the long run than you would having sunk a boat load of cash into a production course.

Anyway, that's just my 2c, take it for what it's worth.

JeffTD · Oct 10, 2006

Everyone I've talked to who went to a recording school has said they'd rather have spent the money on gear and either interned at a studio for free or taught themselves.

MX582 · Oct 10, 2006

i went to berklee over the summer for a music production workshop..i had a blast. I think going there, or another good school, will help open up connections and all that good stuff. thats why i wanna go to a school.

zmetallica · Oct 10, 2006

the school of audio engineering is where i plan on going after i'm done getting my batchlors in music. i got into berklee but i couldn't afford it. NYU is good as well but $. the college i'm going to now has professors in the music department that taught at berklee, went to berklee, teach at NYU, have taught at columbia, along with people who are very much in the industry. all in a state school and i've gotten a good amount for what its worth.

the problem with berklee is, is that you gotta be there two years and their production program is small and hard to get into. its a performance school. and its like a factory, aka don't expect a social life.

mpigott · Oct 10, 2006

ive been to berklee, and dropped out, and now im going back...I have mixed feelings about the place. I know that the production major is haard to get into, but if you do well it shouldnt be any trouble. Its a great place to make connections thats for sure...

Sinister Mephisto · Oct 10, 2006

Berklee has actually become much harder to get into in the past couple of years. The new president has made some changes and there's been a huge publicity drive and now there are a ton more people applying. That said, hopefully I'm going too.

seagleson · Oct 10, 2006

I'm a first semester student at berklee and I love it. I just applied to music production & engineering so lets hope I get in.

The student(s) who talk crap about the school(s) they went to were just the slackers. Someone who reallys want to succeed will do it no matter what (with or without school). The others just end up working a office job.

Remy_5150 · Oct 11, 2006

so I guess I'm the only NYU student on the forum....

Ice Man · Oct 11, 2006

Does anyone have any input on SAE schools? There's Fullsail just a drive away, but you pay retarded tuition just to play with their toys and cram 4 years into 22 months. Plus, apparently, Fullsail has lost a lot of credibility in the job market because they let through underqualified engineers.

elmuchoescadawg · Oct 11, 2006

Im an SAE graduate and I found it really useful in some respects. Basically you get to learn and use a lot of top end gear from experts. You get to experience working sessions on top end gear and have time to experiment with it without it costing the band any money. I really enjoyed my time there and learnt loads that I couldnt have learn so easily anywhere else bearing in mind I went in 1997 and internet access and web forums werent that they are today. Even if once you leave you never get to touch a Neve again if you can master a desk like that then anything else is easy by comparision.

Its also a really good place to meet likeminded people and make contacts in the industry.

Having said that the real qualification is real world experience.

LSD-Studio · Oct 11, 2006

i used to teach at McNallySmith college of music (former Musictech), and from my experience (teaching and being tought there) i can say it's really good.

i had to work alot with some SAE graduates that were so bad that i thought that school must be crap, but now i think neither college is crap or great for everyone, it's always what you suck out of it.
if you really WANT to learn i thibnk most colleges are good, if you're lazy and only there 'cause your parents are paying for it, no college will make you a good engineer (i think that's why SAE's reputaion is not that good, it's not the school, but the students).

--TiMmY-- · Oct 11, 2006

Ice Man said:
Does anyone have any input on SAE schools? There's Fullsail just a drive away, but you pay retarded tuition just to play with their toys and cram 4 years into 22 months. Plus, apparently, Fullsail has lost a lot of credibility in the job market because they let through underqualified engineers.

DONT GO TO FULLSAIL!!! BUY GEAR!!

Out of all the people I know that have gone to fullsail 1 is actually doing what he went to school for.. the rest are working at chillies and Sam ash trying to pay off a $45,000 school loan.. $45k can make a good start on some gear. There is plenty of info and great communities like this one out there that you can learn from..

-Tim

Ice Man · Oct 11, 2006

--TiMmY-- said:
DONT GO TO FULLSAIL!!! BUY GEAR!!

Out of all the people I know that have gone to fullsail 1 is actually doing what he went to school for.. the rest are working at chillies and Sam ash trying to pay off a $45,000 school loan.. $45k can make a good start on some gear. There is plenty of info and great communities like this one out there that you can learn from..

-Tim

Oh, trust me, I have no intention on going to Fullsail. Especially since it's a business degree with a minor in audio engineering. Plus, with it's absurd class scheduling and tuition price, it's been aptly named "Full Rail" amongst friends and I.

I would like to go to a school for it, though. I've learned a lot from the net and forum-goers, but I learn a lot better hands on and visually.

mpigott · Oct 11, 2006

Thats what i feel....Im not gona go to berklee for MPandE cause theres such a wealth of knowledge out there youre better off learning yourself and spending on gear... Im going there for performance, and the fact that toronto is not the place to be to break onto the metal scene haha. I just wish i could get a work visa and live there.

KeithRT99 · Oct 11, 2006

i go to a audio/art school in my area and i enjoy it, but obviously it's not the only option. It's also quite expensive - 65k for 2.5 yr bachelors degree. I recommend trying to get into the industry without going to a school if you can, but it's pretty tough nowadays. The reason why i say this is becuase the school has been going pretty slow for me (i'm barely into the audio ppart of the program) and i want to get out there and work. Schools are a good option though, because now most of them have job placement departments that help you find work in the industry.

Also on a side note, Audio engineering schools are sausage fests. If you want to have contact with more then a handful of females, go to a university.

zmetallica · Oct 11, 2006

wow all this dissing of full sail. i'm not surprised, i asked for 'more info' and they've been hounding me like crazy even after i said to stop bothering me lol. they are really desperate and now i know why.

i know a person at SAE right now and he loves it. i'm a dedicated person, but i need hands on experience and when i'm not doing something i'm good at/love i'll get lazy and frustrated. thats why berklee wasn't right for me. my half uncle went there hated it and dropped out. he said the people there just weren't for him. and knowing his description of the people, i would feel the same. nothing worse than being away from the people you have great musical chemistry with and having to put up with people who have no chemistry.

"Also on a side note, Audio engineering schools are sausage fests. If you want to have contact with more then a handful of females, go to a university." - lol i'd disagree considering what i saw during an tour of SAE. bout 75/25 ratio of guys to girls. then again thats about the opposite of where i'm going now.

i'd suggest you get a batchlors first then goto SAE just cause that way you got a degree and you can get any ole job if needed.

egan. · Oct 11, 2006

http://www.aes.org/education/directory.cfm

MX582 · Oct 12, 2006

sweet thanks for that link ^^^

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