guitar reamp layering

[chewyfhtts]

you have 2 tracks. for example GTRL and GTRR

that's guitar left, and guitar right.

these both have been tracked as a clean signal for re-amping.

lets say you reamp them through a 5150

now lets say you reamp them again through a mesa because you want to add layers to make the guitars sound bigger.

anyone done this and had good results?

will you get phase problems because they are the same signal? .. i should know this, but ive been out of the loop for a while.

 

[TheWinterSnow]

Doing two different takes of the same signal from different amps is easier than dual micing one amp, you might get lag from one amp, but thats a simple nudge fix in the DAW

 

[chewyfhtts]

cool, can't wait to give it a try! i'm just worried about phase issues, but i guess it's a totally different recorded sound hey?

 

[TheWinterSnow]

you know the phase issue isn't that hard to deal with if you recorded each mic on its own mono track, more so its easier with multiple reamps with one mic position because with different mic positions it can still be difficult because the phase will go in and out out phase regardless of where you put it, that seems to happen to me everytime I try it.

 

[chewyfhtts]

ah, i wasn't talking about phase between mics, i was talking more about phase between the 2 layered tracks on top of one another, which are essentially the same take. make sense? ah i think im confusing myself.

 

[greyskull]

You may have to flip the phase, but you use the same cab/ mic set up all should be well

 

[chewyfhtts]

Yeah i think that makes sense in my head. At least the way I think about it:

Using 2 seperately re-amped takes layered on top of each other with the same amp/cab/mic setup, will essentially be 2 different waveforms, as they are recorded seperately, correct? Even though the waveform of the initial CLEAN DI TAKE will be the same on both takes, it's essentially creating a new waveform as I'm re-recording it, yeah?

 

[Torniojaws]

It's not the same thing as two separate performances.

 

[TheWinterSnow]

ah, i wasn't talking about phase between mics, i was talking more about phase between the 2 layered tracks on top of one another, which are essentially the same take. make sense? ah i think im confusing myself.

that is what i was implying, having different mics can be difficult to phase up since the phase can swing, however layering multiple takes with the same mic setup will give you the same phase.

I was just saying dual micing has phase issues that are a bitch and multi-layering doesn't have that problem

Yeah i think that makes sense in my head. At least the way I think about it:

Using 2 seperately re-amped takes layered on top of each other with the same amp/cab/mic setup, will essentially be 2 different waveforms, as they are recorded seperately, correct? Even though the waveform of the initial CLEAN DI TAKE will be the same on both takes, it's essentially creating a new waveform as I'm re-recording it, yeah?

nope, it will still be the same waveform, what will be different is the overall frequency response of the harmonics from each amp, the phase cancellation (or addition) of the harmonics is what will blend the two amps together in tone, it will still sound like one take, with two different tones.

 

[006]

Yeah don't worry about it, if anything you will just have to flip the phase on the 2nd amp's tracks. I've done this 1000 times because I don't like quad-tracking, blending two amps helps give double-tracked guitars a little more thickness.

 

[lolzgreg]

will you get phase problems because they are the same signal? .. i should know this, but ive been out of the loop for a while.

You will get both constructive and destructive interference.

Since you are putting the same waveform into the amplifier when you're reamping, you're ESSENTIALLY getting the same waveform in reference to TIME. The tonality will obviously be different, but it's the same performance.

I think you'll possibly have better results using a different amp on each side than running two of the same take through different amps and panning to the same side.

Sneap said that he never has the same guitar take in two places at any time on a recording. He always has the guitarist quad track if there are two amps to each side (TGE- Nevermore).

-Greg

 

[Trevoire520]

There will be some phase issues, as with 2 different amps and therefore 2 different sounds the waves aren't going to line up perfectly. But as long as you're using the same cab and mic position it shouldn't be much of an issue.

 

[Force666]

Phase, phase, phase.....who gives a fuck if it's out of phase. If it sounds good IT IS GOOD.

I'm pretty sure the phase is only relevant when the source is the same. Using a different amp is not the same source.

 

[006]

I'm pretty sure the phase is only relevant when the source is the same. Using a different amp is not the same source.

Sometimes I have to flip the phase on one set of reamped tracks because they are really out of phase. Otherwise I don't care as long as it sounds good. Usually it's not an issue though at all. You will hear it have no body and sound like utter shit, just flip the phase on one of the sets and bam, back to normal.

 

[crazykarl]

Some amps will cause phase problems. I had really bad problems between a 5150 and a Triple rec once even though the mic and cab were not touched.

In short, just do what sounds good, not what seems like it should sound good.