hahaha could it be true?! is joe really banned?!

Yes, and somewhere in this thread one of the definitions even mentioned something along the lines of "Americans tend to get accent confused with dialect." Quite true, considering that a "SOUTHERN (american) ACCENT" is actually a southern DIALECT (or dialects tbh).

The definitions seem to be matching up here for the most part but when further explained it keeps going back and forth

WHYYYY

it shouldn't be a debate, just accept what Stormo originally posted and be done with it
 
Fuck, DW, it's not that difficult!

Yes, I agree...
















































THAT IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING DIFFICULT!!!!

All I'm saying is that accent is just about the pronunciation and sound of words, when dialect infuses not just a different pronunciation, but sometimes a completely different word altogether.

It doesn't necessarily depend on region per se, but let's bring up the southern "accent" or "dialect" if you want to call it. For argument's sake, let's call it a dialect. Why do Texans speak the southern "dialect" differently than someone from North Carolina? Why does someone from Long Island speak differently than someone from, say Rhode Island?

It's all about their location, i.e. REGION. Regions don't necessarily mean entire countries or entire parts of countries. It could just be something as simple as an hour's drive away that you'll notice a change in pronunciation, hence, a different ACCENT. That doesn't mean DIALECT.

Derick, I brought up the fact about Americans not knowing the difference between accent and dialect, because most Americans think because someone pronounces something differently, that's a different dialect. A good example of a southern vs. northern dialect would be what someone from the north may call a soda. Many people typically call it "pop". In the south, we always say:

"I'm going to the store to get a coke, d'ya want one?"

And the response would be: "Yeah, get me a Dr. Pepper".

We all typically call soda "coke" in the south, even when we mean a completely different type of drink. THIS is a good example of dialect, NOT ACCENT. Another DIALECT would be the word "y'all", which is used mainly in southern states, and the use of the term "yous all" in parts of New England. This is DIALECT. IT'S ABOUT VOCABULARY, NOT PRONUNCIATION. In the south, we all have southern ACCENTS because even among the southerners, there are different ways of pronunciation. However, the terms we use to describe things can be called DIALECT because they differ from other regions.

Dialect isn't the way we speak, it's WHAT we say. "Haaaayyy yaaaaawwwlll" in typical southern pronunciation is the southern ACCENT, but the fact that we use "y'all" instead of "you all" or "everyone" is DIALECT.

You can't say, "this is the definition of dialect because Merriam-Webster says so and it's true for the entire world", especially when speaking about the English language. Maybe in Flemish or French there are clear-cut differences, but the English language is much more vague and the lines are blurred between dialect and accent.

It's only something that you must experience by living there. You can spout all the grammatical rules and be as impressive in Queen's and American English as you want (btw your English is fucking outstanding), but it's something you have to see first-hand and experience to fully understand. You can't broadbrush everything because you have a good grasp of English as a second language based on the stereotype.
 
"...the true patriotism, the only rational patriotism, is loyalty to the Nation ALL the time, loyalty to the Government when it deserves it."

-- Mark Twain


Only if the government deserved it...


y'all!
 
All I'm saying is that accent is just about the pronunciation and sound of words, when dialect infuses not just a different pronunciation, but sometimes a completely different word altogether.
Well, yes, that's mostly true, but that's not what differentiates an accent from a dialect. The determining factor when classifying nonstandard language as either dialect or accent is the fact that the nonstandard nature of the language is either caused by regional difference, or the influence of another language. That is all. The fact that an accent usually does not have lexical differences with standard language, while a dialect often does, is simply a side note.
 
:cool: It's not so fun on the other side... although admittedly a lot of the shit between me and the other members was from behaviour I deliberately faked in order to stir up the pot :p I hope you're doing the same or God help us :lol:
 
That makes sense.
Yeah. That's what I've been trying to say all this time man. Maybe you didn't read my posts because they weren't long enough by your standards? :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dude, the fact that that post came from you is HILARIOUS!!!!
Hey man, he doesn't fucking care about what you think and he'll post a message twenty lines long to prove it!

a lot of the shit between me and the other members was from behaviour I deliberately faked in order to stir up the pot
That's what they all say.
 
:cool: It's not so fun on the other side... although admittedly a lot of the shit between me and the other members was from behaviour I deliberately faked in order to stir up the pot :p I hope you're doing the same or God help us :lol:

No no, I wasn't trying to stir things up and I most definitely wasn't trying to be an ass or anything. I'm just extremely confident in my position until I am either proven wrong, proven right, or at a stalemate. At this point, it's somewhat of a stalemate.
 
Yeah. That's what I've been trying to say all this time man. Maybe you didn't read my posts because they weren't long enough by your standards? :lol:.

No, it wasn't that I had the belief that you were 100% incorrect, it was more of a defense on my behalf, as it seemed that you were like, "No. You're wrong and I'm right and that's all there is to it."

And after much debate and rigamarole, he conceded to my point of view as I conceded to his. He understands where I'm coming from and I him, even though doubts may linger.

This is called healthy debate. I know it's something somewhat foreign to most people due to internet warriors and the wtfroflbbq crowd, not to mention the fact that debate is generally frowned upon here. I don't think ppl have the patience nor the attention span.
 
And after much debate and rigamarole, he conceded to my point of view
*Ahem*

I only said that what you said wasn't untrue. I still stand by the fact that what you said was entirely beside the point.

What you did was saying, "the difference between a diesel and gas engine is that a diesel makes more noise". Whereas the main difference is that one engine runs on diesel and the other on gas. The noise is just a side effect. Same thing with your views on dialects and accets :)
 
I'm proven right, and that's all that matters to me ^_^

You've been proven right in a vacuum, but not in the real world, :). Your having been proven right is like the law against ripping the tag off from underneath the couch or the FBI warning at the beginning of VHS tapes.
 
*Ahem*

I only said that what you said wasn't untrue. I still stand by the fact that what you said was entirely beside the point.

What you did was saying, "the difference between a diesel and gas engine is that a diesel makes more noise". Whereas the main difference is that one engine runs on diesel and the other on gas. The noise is just a side effect. Same thing with your views on dialects and accets :)

This is a bad analogy. Gimme another one.

*Ahem AHEM*...

What I said was that dialect isn't the pronunciation of words, but rather different words entirely. Some places have such extreme dialects that they're like another language, which can be incomprehensible to other non-speakers of said dialect, TO WHICH YOU SAID 'bullshit, that's not true, everyone can understand a dialect if it's based off of the original language'. This, my fellow rpg-loving friend, is wrong, especially in Italy. The Napolitano dialect is nearly incomprehensible to someone who doesn't speak it or isn't familiar with it. This is a fact and this is not up for debate and was my original point, of which you challenged me. THIS is what I was defending, not some dictionary definition.

We can go around and around all day about the true meaning of dialect, I don't care. The fact is, some dialects are incomprehensible to those unfamiliar. If you really want to be proven wrong, come hang out with me for a few days and I'll show you first-hand. I'll let you meet my Roman neighbor and let you meet one of my friends from Veneto and you can watch them try and have a conversation in each others' dialects, and you'll see that they don't understand each other. Now, granted, there will be a few small things that haven't completely changed from Italian and they will understand those, but there will be much more lost in vocabulary.
 
you know, if everyone would just agree that USA isn't a real country then this argument wouldn't exist since you're bringing the different dialects of each state (should be country!) in the US.

go back to russia