hahaha could it be true?! is joe really banned?!

[Dead Winter]

Language is both about grammatical structure and pronounciation. Everyone doesn't use the same vowels and tones as english or italians, like for example scandinavians use alot of intonations and the "sj" (sounds like "sh" sort of). Yes, a french person speaking english is speaking english. But language is so much more then just grammar, especially if you put into accord that loads of languages use the same kind of grammar.

Fair enough. I agree that language is more than merely grammar, but pronunciation doesn't make a language a language. Historical literature as well as a clear grammar structure is the basis of a language's constitution. You can't pronounce something if the spelling hasn't been invented. I agree that pronunciation is part of a language but it's merely an afterthought.

But now you're mixing in two different arguments here, that accent is still only region bound when it's (mainly) defined as nation bound. Dialects are usually the result of a foreign language integrated under a long term but generally sacrificing alot of the main things that one of the languages have. In certain cases you'd get a really strong mix of both, like in alot of italian regions... or you'd get one that would still be unmistakenably of one nation while with a slight alteration.

That's pretty much what I've been saying, although accents are, as you said, more than just nation-bound. I have an American accent but I used to have a southern accent as well. Now it's purely neutral...you can't tell where I'm from by speaking to me, besides obviously being American, unlike someone from New England who typically has an obvious northeastern US accent. For example, Will and John have two completely different accents, however, they're from the same country, only different regions. Then let's compare Derek to Swabs. Two separate countries under the same language but with different accents. Americans and the English/Scots/Irish all have different slang and ways of speaking, but that's not dialect...that's slang and accent.

I'm not saying that dialects HAVE to be radically different. All I'm saying after all of this is that dialect has less to do with pronunciation and more to do with grammar structure in most cases. Not all, but most. I still feel that Stormy had it backwards in his initial argument with me. Accent is strictly pronunciation and dialect is a variant to a proper language.

Yup. Two different nations, hence an accent. Your point?

That's....uh...exactly what I said.

 

[Swabs]

Lol gay.

 

[Dead Winter]

But your sister is so hot.

 

[Swabs]

Lol gai.

 

[Dead Winter]

Well, it is good to see an intelligent argument rather than the current norm around here.

NO YUO!!!!

I demand pics of fat Kevin doing jiu-jitsu.

 

[Karmic]

That's....uh...exactly what I said.

yuo said accent was regional bound!

What I was trying to get at was that you two guys had pretty much the same definition, but the way you said it made it seem like it was different.

That and you're backwards!1

This concludes the demonstration of an intelligent conversation that didn't have a or "faggotry" in every answer given.

 

[[KOTNO]Narrot]

i <3 swedish




just so you know

 

[Shpongled]

What's going on here?

 

[WhiteBeastofWotan]

What's going on here?

faggotry

 

[Swabs]

Anyway, without having to write a plethora of paragraphs. I've always grown up with the idea that an Accent is how somebody sounds when they speak their language, but a Dialect is a different way of speaking the same language, for example people who live in the North of England tend to say things like "Oh aye?" and some say "t'" instead of "the" etc etc.

 

[Dead Winter]

yuo said accent was regional bound!

What I was trying to get at was that you two guys had pretty much the same definition, but the way you said it made it seem like it was different.

That and you're backwards!1

This concludes the demonstration of an intelligent conversation that didn't have a or "faggotry" in every answer given.

*Sigh* This is getting out of hand. Here's the short, short version (DO YOU? DO YOU? FINE! KISS HER!!!!)

Accents are regional bound, as well as dialects, only accents are differences in pronunciation and dialects can have a completely different grammar structure and vocabulary.

 

[Karmic]

...

Accents are not region bound, although in some cases yes. Accents are mainly nation bound! If you want to go against the dictionary definition, make your own!

 

[Calamitas1786]

I can't believe this thread made it to five pages. Anyway :

 

[Shpongled]

I wanna murder those onions.

 

[Calamitas1786]

Buffalo burger sans onions.

 

[Swabs]

I wanna murder those onions.

Man, onions ruin everything...


ESPECIALLY HASH BROWNS

 

[WhiteBeastofWotan]

Buffalo burger sans onions.

I dunno if i want to eat it or put my penis in it

 

[Calamitas1786]

Onions are amazing. It's the bell peppers that ruin shit.

 

[Calamitas1786]

I dunno if i want to eat it or put my penis in it

Well, you could do both, just hopefully not in that order.

 

[Shpongled]

ESPECIALLY HASH BROWNS

For real. Especially because in hash browns, onions are camouflage and you usually can't even tell they are there until you chomp into them. Then you eat the rest of the meal bummed out