HELLRAISER, 8 STRING.

[cobhc]

Soon basses will put out notes comparable to contrabassoons, kick drums will be made of airplane turbine shells and guitars will be tuned to drop f#-23^3.

I'm gonna stick with dropped B!

You all talk like this is a recent thing and hasn't been happening for years. We've had 7 string guitars for a lot of years now, 8 string guitars have been around a few years as well, it's nothing new! Take Alien by SYL, 2005 and Possessions was tuned to Drop E, I don't think I've heard of anyone lately who's tuning lower than that, infact I'm seeing more and more bands going higher again, and many new bands playing in standard.

 

[Fox Mulder]

I love Tipton playing more than all the people here do lol

Nah, no one loves his playing more than I do

 

[kaomao]

.....I don't think I've heard of anyone lately who's tuning lower than that, infact I'm seeing more and more bands going higher again, and many new bands playing in standard.

Yeah Steve! I feel like my C standard is too low for all the guitars I have.
I mean on my LTD MH1000 with floyd rose, if I put 12-60 it's not tight enough! what should I put 12-70? lol
While on the same guitar, when I bought it, it was shipped with 10-46 in E standard which was great playing wise, just way more tighter and balanced, tone wise.
Maybe the future will see a gret return to the E- standard tuning.
In 90's we had all these new metal guys with 7 strings playing some heavy chords, now there's more riffing than ever in metal, it's like a come back to the roots.
I'm glad to see this come back

 

[006]

Yeah Steve! I feel like my C standard is too low for all the guitars I have.
I mean on my LTD MH1000 with floyd rose, if I put 12-60 it's not tight enough!

You answered your own question. The Floyd is why it's not tight enough. Every guitar I have ever played that had Floyd (in floating, not blocked) that was tuned down past D standard had a real springy feel to the strings. I believe Jeff (DSS3) has talked about this as well on a few occasions.

Tune-O-Matic/Hipshot for. the. win.

 

[Metaltastic]

Sorry, but I've just come to hate E-standard tuning!

 

[cobhc]

Sorry, but I've just come to hate E-standard tuning!

How come?

 

[Metaltastic]

Eh, just too high and wimpy, nothing can beat the boner I get when I chug in C-standard! (lower is ok, but I find C to be the happy medium for me)

 

[cobhc]

So basically, because you can't write heavy enough riffs in standard?

 

[Metaltastic]

If you say so

 

[Harry Hughes]

Any tuning can sound heavy, seriously. Half the heaviness is from good playing technique, the other half is owning gear that enhances that aspect of your playing.
As far as I'm concerned Opeth in E standard is just as crushing as Periphery riffing done on an 8 string on the lower strings. Why? Because the dudes know how to play.
Gojira must be one of the heaviest bands I've heard in my life and they are tuned to D standard. In comparison I've heard guys playing the low F# string of an 8 string and sound absolutely pussy and weak.
Why did I buy a 7 string? For "teh brootalz"?
No.
Because of the extra range it affords, because of the extra chord options and because a low B string gives me riff options that have a different mood to it than the E string.
This is exactly the same reasoning why intelligent people choose to buy an 8 string, not because it's for noodling around on the lowest 2 strings but because it gives you options that a 6 string wont give you.
I know some people that view a 7 string as "4 extra notes on top of the 6 strings" but that's the wrong way to look at it. You have another 22-24 frets along that low B string that allows so many different soloing and chording options that weren't previously present on a 6.
The lower notes are about different moods and emotions, not about heaviness. Heaviness can be achieved with any fucking tuning, from E standard to E an octave below or whatever.

 

[kaomao]

Steve Vai developed the Universe, becauseit exented his playing, he could play scale notes on a vertical manner instead of horizontal manner and last but no least to play arpeggios, the extra string gave him a lot more options arpeggios wise.
I guess the Universe it's the first 7 string of history (maybe I'm wrong) and it was back in the 80's

 

[Jackal_Strain]

Any tuning can sound heavy, seriously. Half the heaviness is from good playing technique, the other half is owning gear that enhances that aspect of your playing.
As far as I'm concerned Opeth in E standard is just as crushing as Periphery riffing done on an 8 string on the lower strings. Why? Because the dudes know how to play.
Gojira must be one of the heaviest bands I've heard in my life and they are tuned to D standard. In comparison I've heard guys playing the low F# string of an 8 string and sound absolutely pussy and weak.
Why did I buy a 7 string? For "teh brootalz"?
No.
Because of the extra range it affords, because of the extra chord options and because a low B string gives me riff options that have a different mood to it than the E string.
This is exactly the same reasoning why intelligent people choose to buy an 8 string, not because it's for noodling around on the lowest 2 strings but because it gives you options that a 6 string wont give you.
I know some people that view a 7 string as "4 extra notes on top of the 6 strings" but that's the wrong way to look at it. You have another 22-24 frets along that low B string that allows so many different soloing and chording options that weren't previously present on a 6.
The lower notes are about different moods and emotions, not about heaviness. Heaviness can be achieved with any fucking tuning, from E standard to E an octave below or whatever.

+1

If I only wanted my 7-string for the "extra brootalz" I could just as well have bought a 6-string barritone, but I've found the 7-string to open up so many possibilites that simply can't be played on a 6-string.

-Sigurd-

 

[cobhc]

Steve Vai developed the Universe, becauseit exented his playing, he could play scale notes on a vertical manner instead of horizontal manner and last but no least to play arpeggios, the extra string gave him a lot more options arpeggios wise.
I guess the Universe it's the first 7 string of history (maybe I'm wrong) and it was back in the 80's

The first 7 string guitar ever was back in the 1800's. The russian guitar used 7 strings, and the first music written with a 7 string in mind was in 1798.

 

[MT01]

With all this talk of Judas Priest

this thread has become exceedingly ghey.

 

[JBroll]

Kaomao, I don't think Vai's was even the first seven-string Electric.

MT01, your gheyometer is in dire need of calibration.

Jeff

 

[Rex Rocker]

Sorry, but I've just come to hate E-standard tuning!

I don't hate it, but I get ya. I used to be an E Standard/Drop D kinda dude. Heavier string gauges are not very readily available over here, but once I found a store that stocks (sometimes... sometimes I have to go and buy two seats of strings ) the 11-52 gauge, I went Drop C and I'm definitely not going back. I actually just bought a 7-string set and am gonna try Drop Bb, just to see how it goes!

 

[Metaltastic]

Yup, Opeth is the ONLY band I can think of that can write riffs that are genuinely heavy (by my standards, thus no Metallica or any other thrash please) riffs in E-standard, and even then, I think they only get heavier when played lower. Also, their newer stuff is usually in D, and the heaviness factor has thus been upped IMO! It's not very hard to understand, lower = chuggier/looser, thus heavier IMO. And I personally think everything on First Strike Still Deadly sounds so much heavier than the originals, not only because of the production but because it's down 2 half steps!

But if you all feel like you have something to prove by insisting on handicapping yourselves by staying in E-standard, who am I to stop you! :Spin:

And older Dimmu doesn't count either since they did the "4th on the bottom" inversion and had the bass play the root.

 

[HeadCrusher]

And older Dimmu doesn't count either since they did the "4th on the bottom" inversion and had the bass play the root.

Who did that go again?

Example:

   D5
e----
b----
g--7-
D--7-
A--5-
E--5-

In this example the bass would play a D, right?

Sorry to hijack the thread but this can be answered in one short post. Thanks.

 

[Metaltastic]

Yup, although I think they left out the 7 on the g-string, but maybe not!

 

[devouredremains]

Yup, Opeth is the ONLY band I can think of that can write riffs that are genuinely heavy (by my standards, thus no Metallica or any other thrash please) riffs in E-standard, and even then, I think they only get heavier when played lower. Also, their newer stuff is usually in D, and the heaviness factor has thus been upped IMO! It's not very hard to understand, lower = chuggier/looser, thus heavier IMO. And I personally think everything on First Strike Still Deadly sounds so much heavier than the originals, not only because of the production but because it's down 2 half steps!

But if you all feel like you have something to prove by insisting on handicapping yourselves by staying in E-standard, who am I to stop you! :Spin:

And older Dimmu doesn't count either since they did the "4th on the bottom" inversion and had the bass play the root.

Not a Sylosis fan I assume?