Ho-fucking-ho

[Satori]

In all likelyhood, everything you've been told your whole life regarding religious/metaphysical matters is a huge sham designed to direct and shape your interpretation of reality for the purpose of suppressing your most basic instincts in the name of "civilization" and "progress".

Satori

 

[RETIREDTrapped]

Isn't it just a -tad- ironic that a 'religious' event such as christmas is THE biggest money-making sham ever??

I thought that gluttony and greed were sins??

 

[Satori]

Sins are subjective. Mind-fucking is the name of the game.

Satori

 

[Sullen Jester]

Can you buy your way into "heaven"?

Quesiton: It struck me as wierd that heaven and heathen are spelt so alike.. yet are so different in meanings.. err.. yes..

 

[Satori]

Heaven is a tool of the corrupt to poison the minds of the feeble for whom simply facing their own obvious mortality would invoke too much self-liberation and fearlessness.

Satori

 

[RETIREDTrapped]

Sins are subjective. Mind-fucking is the name of the game.

exactly my point.....................?

Can you buy your way into "heaven"?

There is no heaven. There is peace for a -true- soul, but that is all there is.

 

[E V I L]

Other religions I despise:

Buddhism- the corniest shit ever.

Scientology- Cruise and Travolta sheer morons. Need I say more?

 

[Satori]

Buddhism a "religion"? If that's the case then so are existentialism and confucionism, but then, I'm just stating the obvious.

Satori

 

[RETIREDTrapped]

Buddhism- the corniest shit ever.

I wouldn't class buddhism as a religion. IF i were to beleive in something 'organized', then buddhism it would be.

Basically, Buddhism is just 'being a good person'.

...And no, i am not religious. There is no god, there is no heaven, there is no hell. Only mind and soul.

 

[E V I L]

Bud·dhism (bdzm, bdz-) n.

1) The teaching of Buddha that life is permeated with suffering caused by desire, that suffering ceases when desire ceases, and that enlightenment obtained through right conduct, wisdom, and meditation releases one from desire, suffering, and rebirth.
2) The religion represented by the many groups, especially numerous in Asia, that profess varying forms of this doctrine and that venerate Buddha.

Call it what you wish, but it is classified as a religion just as islam, hinduism (sharing many elements with the latter) et alia, are. B is tinged with metaphysics (transmigration, Karma). In my mind that is what makes it a religion. Why do I find it corny? Look at the dhali llama, another moron, nice guy, but not very informed, rather dense, if you know what I mean. Budhism is another lame adulteration of human spirituality.

 

[E V I L]

come on fellas! no takers on Scientology? Are we in agreement then? Scientologists are pretty damn stupid too.

 

[E V I L]

Originally posted by Trapped
Only mind and soul.

How clumsy of me. I missed this. There is no heaven, no hell. There is no soul too. Buddhists and Scientologists beleive contrariwise. But as I said they are tasteless buffoons enmeshed in with the rest of the crowd. ho ho ho

 

[Satori]

Generally (generally), when people use the word religion they use it to denote an abosolutist belief in some sort of outterworldly supernatural "thing". Buddhism doesn't fit this description and therefore it is not what is meant by what most westerners and like-minded folk regard as "religion". It is really more of an anti-religion, totally non-theist with the familiar and unmistakable flavour of atheism (which is regarded as anti-religious).

It may be what you consider another lame adulteration of human spirituality, but then, what isn't? Other adulterations in this vein include yoga, martial arts, and drug use. People have many ways of interpreting and explaining their own inherent sense of spirituality, as long as they aren't deluding themselves with blinding myths or trying to fuck each other then there's no problem. As long as they aren't literally beliving there own interpretations and mistaking them for "reality" then they can explain it in whatever manner they choose, put it in whatever dress they choose, and it shouldn't make any difference because the cosmetic aspect of a way of thinking is irrlevent, it's the subjective effect of the underlying idea on the individual that matters.

Don't mistake the explanation for the message, don't disregard an idea because of the means which are used to convey it. Alice in Wonderland seems like a bunch of nonsense on first glance but actually it contains some pretty cool ideas which would be overlooked if you dwelled on the fact that Wonderland isn't literally "real" or that scarecrows can't talk. Sillyness.

Satori

 

[E V I L]

Originally posted by Satori

Don't mistake the explanation for the message, don't disregard an idea because of the means which are used to convey it. Alice in Wonderland seems like a bunch of nonsense on first glance but actually it contains some pretty cool ideas which would be overlooked if you dwelled on the fact that Wonderland isn't literally "real" or that scarecrows can't talk. Sillyness.

Satori

Satori,

The message is trite, but it's the very explanation that bothers me. Add this to the fact that people do take buddhism seriously and revere it... more cause for misanthropia I'd say. Idiocy supporting idiocy. Not very becoming.

this applies to scientology. the message is good, albeit trite, but then again, it's that damn 'explanation' that irks me...

 

[Satori]

Originally posted by E V I L
How clumsy of me. I missed this. There is no heaven, no hell. There is no soul too. Buddhists and Scientologists beleive contrariwise.

Believe contrariwise? Tell me, is it difficult to be this uninformed?

Comparing buddhism to scientology shows how little you know of such things. One is an ancient philosophy of psychology and metaphysics, adapted and re-adapted for the times, steeped in self-admitted bullshit mythology as a means of expression, the other is a corporation bent on scams and lying to people as a way of making money. The only thing they have in common is that they are both godless and both place human happiness, ethics, and intellectual growth as the prime objectives. It was an amusing comparison however, hehe.

Anyway, I thought I was having a discussion with someone who had a clue, my mistake, one I will try not to make again.

Satori

 

[E V I L]

how would this differ from Christianity? Mother Teresa? Ned Flanders? Their message is pretty good too- hope and goodness, love of neighbors, compassion (this can be deconstructed endlessly, I know, so don't bother) but then they can be criticized just as I have criticized buddhists and those damn rich scientologists. But I always see aversion for christianity. I'm trying to bring our atheism in accord to the rest of the world (Pan-atheism?). Spreading the love so that the other religions don't feel left out.

 

[E V I L]

Originally posted by Satori


Believe contrariwise? Tell me, is it difficult to be this uninformed?

Comparing buddhism to scientology shows how little you know of such things. One is an ancient philosophy of psychology and metaphysics, adapted and re-adapted for the times, steeped in self-admitted bullshit mythology as a means of expression, the other is a corporation bent on scams and lying to people as a way of making money. The only thing they have in common is that they are both godless and both place human happiness, ethics, and intellectual growth as the prime objectives. It was an amusing comparison however, hehe.

Anyway, I thought I was having a discussion with someone who had a clue, my mistake, one I will try not to make again.

Satori

Please. B and S have many parrallels. You should get more informed of S.

btw, on second reading, your post did nothing to controvert me. In fact you demonstrated in what ways they are a like. And yes, they do both believe in the souls. it's substantive to both religions.

 

[Satori]

Originally posted by E V I L
The message is trite, but it's the very explanation that bothers me.

The message is trite? You are making this too easy for me. There is nothing trite about simply being ethical and fearless.

How unfortuante and superficial that you would disregard the wisdom and benefit contained in alice in wonderland because the Lion annoys you.

Add this to the fact that people do take buddhism seriously and revere it...

Anyone who takes buddhism "seriously" is missing the point of it. You are obviously mistaking the practices of certain cultures surrounding buddhism for buddhism itself. It would be like taking alice in wonderland seriously, something which would defeat the purpose of it as it would cloud the mind more than clear it.

more cause for misanthropia I'd say. Idiocy supporting idiocy. Not very becoming.

The only idiocy I see stems from you obvious lack of knowledge of things you are pretending to be versed in.

this applies to scientology. the message is good, albeit trite, but then again, it's that damn 'explanation' that irks me...

Good, and yet trite? As humans, our interpretation of "good" means "not trite", a contradiction you'll have to resolve I guess. As for this explanation that irks you, it is only one of many and you know a great deal less about it than you think. Not all the answers fit in a dictionary blurb.

Satori

 

[E V I L]

Please, this is cause for laughter. I read nothing in your last post worth responding to. Why are you getting defensive anyway? I know your moniker is "satori" but I didn't beleiver you were a buddhist. You don't scruple to bash religions why should I? Let's be equal opportunity bashers, shall we?

 

[Satori]

Originally posted by E V I L
Please. B and S have many parrallels. You should get more informed of S.

I am extremely informed of S, thank you. I am aware of the similarities, and also aware that one of them is a multi-million dollar industry which clouds the mind with absolutist methodology, a difference you seem to be intentionally overlooking.

btw, on second reading, your post did nothing to controvert me. In fact you demonstrated in what ways they are a like. And yes, they do both believe in the souls. it's substantive to both religions.

Souls? In buddhism? I realize you can't possibly appreciate how ridiculous you sound, so you'll just have to take my word on this one when I say, that's fucking halarious!, hehe.

Satori