How many death metal bands are better than gorguts?

[Arrakis]

so much hostility in this thread., i'lll settle this

my dad can beat up ALL your dads. so fuckin watch your mouths.

 

[Susperia]

Why would he beat up my dad? He's such a nice guy... Anyway, I agree--- the amount of hostility in here right now is pretty ridiculous. Though that's one reason why this forum is so entertaining.

 

[Souls Highway]

I am almost inclined to say Cynic are loads better than Gorguts (Obscura anyways), but ... >_> I hate both so I won't say it.

Nocturnus and Pestilence > Gorguts.

 

[CF87]

I do not have any musical theory....

Thanks. That answered my question.

I'm not so sure if I believe you do either. Prove it

Talk about some musical theory on 'Gorguts' obscura that makes the album most complex,technical in the death metal genre. Is their any theory on obscura album that Atheist,Nocturnus,Martyr,Cynic,etc.. did not know about or use ?. Why is 'obscura' the most complex,technical death metal album. You said it so you back it up. I don't have to prove anything. Mr I Know Theory blah blah

I do not know theory, but can tell in music what's more complex,technical,etc....

A lot of guitarists might not know theory. It does not mean they're not using theory in playing. Theory is terms. You can playing notes,scales,chords,etc.. without knowing what notes,chords you're playing.

There is amazing guitarist's that were not taught. Guitarists that do not know theory in terms,regulations,rules,etc...

Why does Luc Lemay not solo ?. Maybe he's not a good lead guitarist or maybe he does not want too. I'll bet he's not a good lead guitarist or it's a weakness in his playing.

Actually the only theory Luc learned is organization of structure(in jazz). He went to school for it. He only learned how to properly form songs using theory. He's a very good guitarist but probably does not know as much as you think. Compared to some others in metal he fails in comparison.

 

[AsModEe]

I am almost inclined to say Cynic are loads better than Gorguts (Obscura anyways), but ... >_> I hate both so I won't say it.

Nocturnus and Pestilence > Gorguts.

Dah... Nocturnus fits more my tastes than Gorguts.

 

[10293847]

I do not have any musical theory....

I'm not so sure if I believe you do either. Prove it

Talk about some musical theory on 'Gorguts' obscura that makes the album most complex,technical in the death metal genre. Is their any theory on obscura album that Atheist,Nocturnus,Martyr,Cynic,etc.. did not know about or use ?. Why is 'obscura' the most complex,technical death metal album. You said it so you back it up. I don't have to prove anything. Mr I Know Theory blah blah

I do not know theory, but can tell in music what's more complex,technical,etc....

A lot of guitarists might not know theory. It does not mean they're not using theory in playing. Theory is terms. You can playing notes,scales,chords,etc.. without knowing what notes,chords you're playing.

There is amazing guitarist's that were not taught. Guitarists that do not know theory in terms,regulations,rules,etc...

Why does Luc Lemay not solo ?. Maybe he's not a good lead guitarist or maybe he does not want too. I'll bet he's not a good lead guitarist or it's a weakness in his playing.

Actually the only theory Luc learned is organization of structure(in jazz). He went to school for it. He only learned how to properly form songs using theory. He's a very good guitarist but probably does not know as much as you think. Compared to some others in metal he fails in comparison.

First, the theory on Obscura isn't something that other bands don't know about our couldn't comprehend. It's their own special way of composing. There's not a special term for composing this way. Musical Theory doesn't teach you how to play in a certain way. It provides ideas on "how" you can approach writing, in a way that still makes sense.

More time signatures, (3/4, 4/4, 6/8, etc) and tempo changes (8th, 16th, 32th notes, etc) per bar, more intricate and longer phrases (a pattern of riffs/sounds), riffs that change, combine with other riffs within the song and cycle back (different and inter-change and interact with other instruments and change instruments of interaction, part of the structuring) more often than previous bands. A ton of Dissonance (harsh, unfinished sounds) like a lot of jazz, but the beauty of this album here is that the harshness of the sounds are compliments to the main riffs of the songs and grounded and not used sporadically and improvised like a jazz band would.

Those previous bands do things similiarly, but Obscura took it a step further.

I'm very curious to see what Lemay's new band Negativa is going to come up with.

 

[AsModEe]

meanwhile, you can check out Gorguts guitarist's, Daniel Mongrain, two bands: Martyr and Capharnaum. Both are pretty darn good, though I hate the vocals on Capharnaum.

 

[Vital Remains]

Nile

 

[Souls Highway]

Nile

Hahaha. No. No fucking way.

You been smoking something?:Smokin:

 

[Arrakis]

See gorguts are unique. A lot of the death metal bands people have mentioned in this thread have a likeness to other death metal bands in some way. Gorguts don't sound a thing like any other band. I think it's just a totally unique approach to death metal. At least, i haven't heard any bands similar.

 

[Hammer of Might]

You say Gorguts are unique, but I don't think that can be said fopr their earlier albums. Or are we just discussing Obscura here?

I haven't heard Obscura, but I was listening to Considered Dead earlier, and it's not what I would call a 'unique' sound. I still think it's good, but it hardly jumps out from its contemporaries.

On Erosion of Sanity there is more of a characteristic sound developing, but still I think saying this era Gorguts is unique is going too far. Again though, maybe you just meant Obscura.

 

[Vital Remains]

Hahaha. No. No fucking way.

You been smoking something?:Smokin:

im a nile freak man. I cant help it.

 

[Arrakis]

You say Gorguts are unique, but I don't think that can be said fopr their earlier albums. Or are we just discussing Obscura here?

I haven't heard Obscura, but I was listening to Considered Dead earlier, and it's not what I would call a 'unique' sound. I still think it's good, but it hardly jumps out from its contemporaries.

On Erosion of Sanity there is more of a characteristic sound developing, but still I think saying this era Gorguts is unique is going too far. Again though, maybe you just meant Obscura.

from wisdom to hate sounds pretty unique too. considered dead is just straight up soundin death metal. still pretty kickass though

 

[Slayed Necros]

Mr. Somberlain, why in holy hell isn't Therion's early work on your list?! Let's not be forgetting Eucharist's A Velvet Creation, either.

Fuck, I don't know how I forgot. Especially Beyond Sanctorum.

 

[Life Sucks]

I'm listening to Obscura right now. To me, it's definitely the least enjoyable Gorguts album. Sure, it's very complex and original, but I like their other three albums better.

 

[CF87]

Obscura is my least favorite Gorguts also. There is also to many songs making the music to appear less focused well written than it might be. Gorguts imo took those idea's making them better and more interesting on 'from wisdom to hate'. A lot more idea's,textures,etc... From Wisdon To hate was a lot more interesting to me. Luc also introduced Dan from Martyr on lead guitars whos writting, solo's are top notch. The songs are more unique and individual than on obscura. The main intro riff to Inverted,etc.. should be mention because it's mindblowing. Not always OBSCURA. Everytime Gorguts focus from people goes right to obscura. I'm not convinced it's their best work. Erosion of Sanity should be talked about more.

From Wisdom To Hate is a lot more enjoyable also.

 

[Morpha]

"Let me tell you, about a porcupine's balls. They're small, and they don't give a SHIT!"

 

[andrew_plamondon]

Obscura is my least favorite Gorguts also. There is also to many songs making the music to appear less focused well written than it might be. Gorguts imo took those idea's making them better and more interesting on 'from wisdom to hate'. A lot more idea's,textures,etc... From Wisdon To hate was a lot more interesting to me. Luc also introduced Dan from Martyr on lead guitars whos writting, solo's are top notch. The songs are more unique and individual than on obscura. The main intro riff to Inverted,etc.. should be mention because it's mindblowing. Not always OBSCURA. Everytime Gorguts focus from people goes right to obscura. I'm not convinced it's their best work. Erosion of Sanity should be talked about more.

From Wisdom To Hate is a lot more enjoyable also.

The riff in Inverted is essentially inspired of the dissonance of Obscura. The difference between Obscura and FWTH is essentially, to me, dissonance. Obscura is all about dissonance and chaos (that's why it sometimes look less focused) and FWTH is more theory oriented I guess, since both Dan Mongrain and Luc Lemay had lots of musical formation to help them. I even tend to think that FWTH is way to clean, there are less riffs in each songs (or they are easier to remember) and the song structure seem more simple to me.
Obscura is a lot more appealling to me because of all this chaos and dissonance : I prefer not to be able to tell 100% of the time what riffs comes next and how exactly it will sound ; I want to be surprise each time I listent to it. FWTH is way too clean for that on both sound structures and melodies.

 

[Susperia]

"Let me tell you, about a porcupine's balls. They're small, and they don't give a SHIT!"

I don't get it..?

 

[Morpha]

I don't get it..?

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