I need a favor from guys who own Peavey 5150-6505 and v30 cabinet.

[slaven22]

Well, if someone was reading "Is my sm57 broken?" thread, I think I have a problem with my sm57 mic or maybe it's something else.

So, I would PLEASE ask anyone who has mentioned amp or cabinet to try to record something with specific settings and mic placement . I would be very grateful! IT DOESN'T HAVE TO SOUND GOOD, it serves only to compare the sound of the same settings and to compare the sound of the microphones. So the easiest settings to copy, would be the best. The tubes inside are JJs, but I only need the general character of the sound to compare.
The mic preamp shouldn't matter too much I guess, also, I have few so I can use something similar to yours preamp.

So, my idea is to record the sound with same settings and to compare it with yours.

I don't know, maybe someone already has something recorded, some raw guitars and remembers settings-mic placement, to share? That would be the easiest way to do this.

Maybe mic placement in the center and off axis, or on axis or something, would be the best position to copy with my settings, because, as we all know, centimeter can make a huge difference.


So, the amps should be Peavey 6505-5150, cabinet something with v30 inside, maybe something near Marshall cabs because I have Laney TT, which is similar in sound to Marshall cabs.
You can throw tubescreamer as a boost also, and I will do the same.
You can record clean sound or something, even noise from the amp, It doesn't matter as long as we have the same settings to compare the sounds of sm57.
If you play some riff I will copy that also, to match the sound as close as I can.

I have guitars with active EMGs and Seymour Duncan JB&Jazz to match with yours, but I think pickups shouldn't matter so much for the general character of the sound.


So , please, if anyone has some spare time to help, I would really appreciate that and you would help me a lot!
I can't find another SM57 to compare right now, so I'm thinking, this is the best was to see what's wrong in this setup.


If someone is interested, thanks in advance!

 

[AdamG94]

I'll be able to help you out I'll record something later on after I get back from work.

 

[slaven22]

I'll be able to help you out I'll record something later on after I get back from work.

Thanks man!

 

[Lasse Lammert]

this won't help you at all!
I have 4-5 different cabs with v30, that's like 16 speakers...all v30.
even if I use the same mic position and amp settings on either on of them the sound will be VERY different on all of them, so you won't really be able to compare.

the Laney sounds very different fomr the Marshalls as well

 

[slaven22]

this won't help you at all!
I have 4-5 different cabs with v30, that's like 16 speakers...all v30.
even if I use the same mic position and amp settings on either on of them the sound will be VERY different on all of them, so you won't really be able to compare.

the Laney sounds very different fomr the Marshalls as well

Thanks for suggestion Lasse (I'm really liking your amp testings on youtube man, that Bogner modded Marshall is great). Yeah I know, but as I mentioned, I only needed the general character of the sound. Not the exact same sound, but I wanted to copy the settings as close as I can.


My problem is that my sm57 setting has almost no famous midrange and presence. It sounds thin (in midrange), distant, trebly and plastic, no matter where I put it, in any position or any speaker... I can get some midrange with celestion seventy 80s ( which are generally considered lower quallity than v30), but i think all this should work with v30 as well.


I just need to compare it to generally technically good microphones out there.
To see if the basic characteristics of the mic are the same, If you know what I mean.

Hm... about the Laneys and Marshalls, I tried it with some new Marshall cabs and they sounded much of the same character, "in the room" that is. As i remember, Laney even sounded better to me, but I never tried to record the Marshalls, so i don't know about the recorded tone.... I'll trust you on that one though.


Well, maybe the best thing would be for me to record some new samples with few different mic positions and put the links later in this thread, to illustrate...

I'll set my Peavey to those Andy Sneap settings posted on net, cause most of the forumers tried that settings.


Maybe it's the problem with my use of Peavey, I have it only for few months, bought it so I could have something more heavy as an option in recording.
Well, I'll record something this afternoon and post samples and the settings-mic positions.

 

[amarshism]

http://db.tt/6d1MeLh1

Single 57 off axis where the cap meets the cone. I believe gain was at 6 bass 6 mids 2 treble 5 presence and resonance around 7 and 8 respectively.

 

[slaven22]

http://soundcloud.com/slaven22/peavey-forum-violet-sm57


I blended the sm57 signal with Violet design BK condenser to give it some fullness. Though, the post gain on Violet was pretty low (on sm57 it was at 2), not even on 1 and I boosted some mids and high, because this microphone is pretty dark... it's straight on axis, few inches away from the grill, and sm57 is at the point of cone-cap meeting...
The preamp on both is Focusrite Isa.


Maybe I just need to crank that all up, but not in this place...

 

[egan.]

Slaven you have a ton of phase issues on that track.

 

[slaven22]

Slaven you have a ton of phase issues on that track.

Well I just blended them together, quadtracked and throw some limiter over it, mics were not set up at the same time on cabinet, I just blended different takes of the same riff with different mikes from two different recordings... and in this moment the room is little nasty, maybe there are some frequency cancelations, flutter echo is pretty strong...

Wait, I'll upload something with condenser only...

 

[slaven22]

http://soundcloud.com/slaven22/peavey-forum-violet

The other take, condenser only...


Here is another raw sample, it is as it is, two guitars, same mic placement... all the abnormal artifacts in there, I guess come from the room... that ringing noise...

 

[slaven22]

And this is what I do with those raw samples, trying to get close to Hell guitar sound, so i recorded the same riff from Hell song...

I can get closer results with sm57 in raw samples, these samples are done with condenser settings from previous clip, post gain is also low.



http://soundcloud.com/slaven22/sneap3

http://soundcloud.com/slaven22/sneap-2-1