If Mort Divine ruled the world

[CiG]

This guy didn't refute one single thing Spencer said and actually imo made Spencer seem reasonable compared to his emotional reactivity. People are actually applauding "journalists" who do this shit.

 

[Dak]

At least they are both relatively polite, which is more than I can say for most people of differing political views.

 

[CiG]

Polite? I found the journalist to be very passive-aggressive and at the very end, emotional and dismissive and childish.
But sure, nobody got punched or hit by a Dodge Challenger of peace.

 

[Dak]

Polite? I found the journalist to be very passive-aggressive and at the very end, emotional and dismissive and childish.
But sure, nobody got punched or hit by a Dodge Challenger of peace.

Well, my expectations have been driven lower than normal (which are low) because of things like punching and Dodge Challengers.

 

[CiG]

Hahaha, fair.

I think weak counter-arguments like that video tend to make Spencer's position look more reasonable than less.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'd need an uncut of that interview to be certain, but it looks like the reporter made Spencer look like an idiot to me. "I seriously doubt that" is apparently his ultimate answer to the only real discussion going on, the rest was just Spencer saying "You're not really British" probably knowing he'd offend him and end the interview short. "Look at the end result" is the most meaningless argument ever; I could train German Shepherds to rape a thousand children before forcing them to cannibalize each other in an open arena, and if the winner met somebody as a result that led to the birthing of another child that cured cancer, I'd be the good guy. And colonialsm blatantly did more harm than good to most if not all of the nations it touched. Tens of millions starved to death under the UK, just as many more were murdered, arbitrary borders were drawn that created wars we're still fighting to this day in the name of British Zionism, and even the supposed good they left like infrastructure or technology rarely came with the required education to maintain it. Guy's a fucking moron, the new David Duke for the MSM to whip out whenever the media want to smear some anti-establishment organization/movement that happens to be endorsed by Duke/Spencer.

 

[CiG]

Is it false that descendants of slavery living in America have better lives now than any African in Africa now or ever?

It's a controversial and interesting question to ask, Gary's response to it was not to point out that the current living situations of black Americans doesn't justify enslavement of their ancestors but rather to just basically whine.

"It's such a ridiculous notion."

Well, okay? Then he goes on to say that if slaves were able to stay in Africa, Africa might be a better place today. Maybe I'm missing something, I'm not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, but what is a claim like that even based on?

It looks to me like Gary wasn't able to refute anything Spencer asserted, even though some of it was ridiculous and once Spencer realised this guy was a snowflake he just trolled him into ending the interview. This probably brightened Spencer's fucking day, meanwhile Gary is all mad and pissy on the drive home.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

It's a totally meaningless and uninteresting question to ask, possibly the most. Our universe has a virtually infinite number of possibilities, none of those in the past being ones we have control over, few of those in the future we're able to predict. Do blacks living in America have it better than blacks living in Liberia? Sure. Who gives a fuck? I think it's pretty easy to accept that our current state of being is the one we have the most control over, and that performing good actions (like free trade, respect of property, respect of dignity, etc) are more likely to lead to positive outcomes than bad actions (like government monopolization of trade routes and slavery).

Western Africa has improved in bounds since British colonialism and the threats of communism and Islamic extremism left it. Nigeria, Cameroon, and Ghana are all rising developing nations and at their current rate could compete with at least Central Europe in a couple generations (they're already surpassing parts of Eastern Europe). Their children also outperform British children in the white homeland of his ancestors that he's so proud of. The biggest error that leftists make wrt Africa is in ignoring the critical role of the Arab slave trade and the general white supremacy of Islam. This of course applies to other nations affected by the British like Ireland and India. Persia would probably be a first-world nation today if the British and Jews didn't continue to fuck them after WW2.

 

[CiG]

But my point is Gary didn't say anything even close to what you're saying, I don't agree with Spencer's worldview but I can see that Gary's shit handling of the man did little to dissuade people from Spencer's side.

It does seem heavily edited though, but edited by those on Gary's team not Spencer's so it could be even worse.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

No, that's exactly what he said. He compared the average lifespan of an African American to an African, and then said that slavery is the reason for that, therefore African Americans benefited from slavery/white supremacy.

 

[CiG]

Gary is the black guy, I'm saying if his responses to Richard had been akin to what you're saying it would've been great.

Am I confused?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

nvm misread you there. He did refute it, he considered the possibility that in the absence of colonialism that those regions of Africa may have developed on their own terms a superior standard of living. Then Spencer says "I seriously doubt it" and the scene cuts; perhaps if uncut Spencer would have mentioned something about racial IQ differences or made an analogy to Ethiopia's slow progress (the only uncolonized African nation).

 

[CiG]

He didn't say in the absence of colonialism, he said in the absence specifically of slavery's removal of people to another land.

Edit: maybe it's my bad and what he's saying is, if slavery hadn't removed so many African males to another land, they could have stayed behind and actively rebelled against colonial invaders.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The two are kinda inextricable for that time period. Even if your interpretation is right, he's crediting white supremacy (slavery bringing Africans to America) for saving them from white supremacy (colonial rule).

 

[Dak]

https://gnxp.nofe.me/2017/11/07/the-rising-waters-of-human-tribal-nature/

Finally, understanding that most people don’t need to be right or utter the truth, but simply need to win, has made me much more cheerful and less sour observing everyday stupidities. It is no great insight to observe that I’ve never been one who has had much esteem for the admiration of my peers. I like to do my own thing. But tribal acclamation must be the best of all things for most humans, and now I understand why they fight unfairly and stupidly with such ease and naturalness: their aim not to be right in the eyes of nature, but to rise in the esteem their fellow human. That is the summum bonum.

 

[Satanstoenail]

An Indian comedian has made a documentary about how offended he and other Indians are about Apu from The Simpsons being a racial stereotype.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/10/arts/television/the-problem-with-apu-the-simpsons.html

 

[CiG]

Something like that could be interesting if society were open enough to also admit that racism is funny as long as it isn't violent or perpetrated by government and all racial stereotypes also contain a grain of truth.

If it's just a one-sided snowflake fest, meh it's just pointless victimhood masturbation imo.

 

[Satanstoenail]

The sole reason this guy seems to be doing it is so he can go "Oh look how offended everyone is that I'm making this, see what snowflakes you all are? Hurhurhur".

Ugh.

 

[CiG]

Huh, good observation you're probably fucking right.

 

[Dak]

https://status451.com/2017/11/05/i-see-trad-people/amp/

To explain this, I would offer the hypothesis that protesting against the social order has become a progressive tradition, a specific custom passed on to the next generation, and as such, people continue to do it for no reason other than its own sake. The grievances of progressivism are now like Boomer Christmas, stuck in time, repeating the same old songs over and over again, recapturing the youthful days of a generation long gone by. That doesn’t mean there aren’t real problems to be solved, it just suggests that’s not why the majority of people do it.
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Yes, I’m deliberately speaking in stereotypes here, which means a “not all” rule implicitly applies. However, stereotypes do have predictive qualities, and in this case, I think it helps explain exactly why left and right are both extremely polarized and extremely useless designations nowadays. They have ceased to be identifiers for concrete poles of policy and morality, and have instead become mere flags of necessity to rally around by dispossessed and confused ideologies.