If Mort Divine ruled the world

[Dak]

Dude, quit arguing. You're not winning your point with me with this semantic volleyball.

I'm sorry if everything feels like a semantic volleyball to you. It appears inevitable from your training.

 

[Einherjar86]

It appears inevitable from your training.

I think I know what you mean, and I think you do too; but your prose doesn't seem to. Rewrite.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

What I mainly meant is that a higher percentage of people are living longer. This mainly has to do with advancements in modern medicine and elder care, which is basically what I assume you're saying we should stop wasting on the elderly (unless they or their families can pay for it) since they no longer contribute to society.

I don't see how that matters. It isn't more expensive for Family A to support Gramps A just because Families B through Z support their own respective elderly. If anything that demonstrates exactly why broad social engineering and welfare states lead to disproportionate costs per benefit.

It's not that I don't see a problem with the situation economically speaking. I just find your perspective to be rather draconian. In short, I don't think it's realistic to ask families to shoulder the burden. If they're forced to, it will either likely affect the health and well-being of the younger members of the family; or they'll choose not to, in which case the elderly individual would most likely die. I simply don't see these as the only two options, and I do think there's a way to pay for elder care via proactive medicine and health planning, and by taxing more from the super-wealthy.

Too bad there's little evidence of that since the lifespan of the elderly has only increased slightly over the last couple hundred years (and most of that is probably thanks to medicine/surgery). Maybe you should have picked a wife with nicer in-laws if you think that living with them will literally cause health problems for you.

I'm saying that it's easier for rural families to take care of extended family, including the elderly, than it is for urban families. I don't have statistics for this, but it makes perfect sense considering average cost of living in rural areas and the ability to afford more amenable housing for larger families.

On a very broad meaningless average, sure, maybe, although consumer goods are often more expensive in the boonies, and usually jobs pay less to cancel out the cheaper housing. Even if that's true, you're offering no evidence that it is enough of a factor to make or break the ability of a person to live in a city. In fact, the data show that whites are the least likely to have multi-generational families, despite us generally being both the wealthiest and most rural ethnic group. All you're doing is demonstrating your bourgeois entitlement.

 

[Einherjar86]

You're right, no evidence--because I'm not on a health board or publishing a paper in a medical policy journal. I'm arguing with a shitty human being on a metal forum. I cannot over-emphasize how little I care about your opinion.

 

[CiG]

> constantly having large debates with him
> "I cannot over-emphasize how little I care about your opinion"

 

[Einherjar86]

I'm just trying to end this. I don't know how he has the time to do "research" for a debate on a metal forum. I don't, and so I don't, which ends up with him lobbing personal jabs because I provide "no evidence."

I'm sorry @HamburgerBoy, but your perception about what I want from these exchanges is warped. If I'm not providing the evidence you want, then say you won't be convinced without evidence and bow out. You don't have to be a shithead (and yes, I mean that in the most racist way possible).

 

[CiG]

You don't have to be a shithead (and yes, I mean that in the most racist way possible).

 

[rms]

Maybe you should have picked a wife with nicer in-laws if you think that living with them will literally cause health problems for you.

this is the dumbest and most basement dwelling statement i've ever read

 

[viewerfromnihil]

HBB, your kissless virgin is showing

 

[Dak]

My in laws and parents have squandered their lives away and have little to nothing to show for it, and I'm somewhat unsympathetic at this point, as is my wife. Boomers have so structured society so as to put off responsibility and consequences as long as possible, and the rot is generationally and systemically deep at this point. Multigenerational households were the default for millennia, and it will take some time to revert, which includes the attitudes of Boomers dying out (and those attitudes are not* limited to Boomers themselves).

 

[rms]

for sure, but USA also decided it wasn't a personal responsibility to save for retirement so here we are. And even though it's a fucking money hole, I think it's the right decision.

 

[Dak]

for sure, but USA also decided it wasn't a personal responsibility to save for retirement so here we are. And even though it's a fucking money hole, I think it's the right decision.

Retirement is an unsustainable fantasy in a ponzi economy.

 

[rms]

that's probably true, but i do think gov should do certain things that are economically unfeasible

 

[arg]

I am ok with some of my taxes going towards old people as long as future generations will help out with my erection meds

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'm just trying to end this. I don't know how he has the time to do "research" for a debate on a metal forum. I don't, and so I don't, which ends up with him lobbing personal jabs because I provide "no evidence."

I'm sorry @HamburgerBoy, but your perception about what I want from these exchanges is warped. If I'm not providing the evidence you want, then say you won't be convinced without evidence and bow out. You don't have to be a shithead (and yes, I mean that in the most racist way possible).

Where did I get personal with you? The fact of the matter is that you don't like to substantiate your beliefs, you take a "common sense" approach to debate, kind of in Trumpian fashion tbqh.

this is the dumbest and most basement dwelling statement i've ever read

"I'm an entitled white person and my in-laws will literally give me cancer, you don't know the pains of having to live with family, you fucking virgin living with your parents"

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'm just trying to end this. I don't know how he has the time to do "research" for a debate on a metal forum. I don't, and so I don't, which ends up with him lobbing personal jabs because I provide "no evidence."

I'm sorry @HamburgerBoy, but your perception about what I want from these exchanges is warped. If I'm not providing the evidence you want, then say you won't be convinced without evidence and bow out. You don't have to be a shithead (and yes, I mean that in the most racist way possible).

Also, lmao @ you of all people using the "I don't know how you have so much free time" canard, coming from the guy that can wank for paragraphs about fiction and post-modernist philosophers in substitution for a valid argument.

No one should have to be convinced without evidence. If you are that speaks volumes about how vapid your own concept of argument and reason is.

 

[rms]

Idk if you're calling me or Ein privileged there

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Idk if you're calling me or Ein privileged there

I pretty obviously quoted you and made that in response to your particular post, pointing out the irony of what you had said (though you probably missed it because you're a dumb person).

 

[rms]

You've demonstrated being an idiot several times lately but acting like I am privileged is hilarious.

 

[Einherjar86]

Also, lmao @ you of all people using the "I don't know how you have so much free time" canard, coming from the guy that can wank for paragraphs about fiction and post-modernist philosophers in substitution for a valid argument.

Because I've already done all my research in that respect and know what to say and/or where to find what I want to reference. It's not time-consuming.

I'm sorry you don't feel that humanistic scholarship counts as a "valid argument." I suppose that's what happens when you fetishize the laboratory, comfortable in your false consciousness of scientific objectivity, mired in the language games of your specific field of study, ignorant of the différance that accompanies all utterances (scientific or otherwise), complacent toward the hegemonic belief in individualism, blind to the reification of...

Fuck, there I go again. That is some serious bullshit. Carry on.