i'm against death penalty, but...

[mourningstar]

But you'll never be proven right, either.

yes, you're right. but you know why? because there is nothing to prove.

 

[Taliesin]

Oh and as far as this lady goes, I tend to prefer the death penalty in these situations. Her 'insanity' is pretty subjective to interpretation, but the violation of the inalienable right to life of the three children whom God placed in her care for their safety and upbringing is not. As a free person, as a mother, as a human being she is plainly in violation of the most important of basic rights this country sees as sacred and undeniable, being granted to us by our creator - a creator who of course does not tell idiot housewives to kill their children for whatever sick, absurd reason.

That's how you see things, as a rational person. She said God had told her to kill her children, whether she really felt so or not, I cant say. But the psychologist who examined her might, and if he's good he can tell whether she's telling the truth or whether she's merely trying to get away with therapy or something.
You have to understand that Psychology is a subject you study for about 5 years.. I dont how people are so quick with judgements when they know so little about psychology. That's a bit like a guy I know said about depressive people:"They should just get a grip on themselves and stop bitching around!" Yeah ok, as if Psychologists went studying for 5 years just to tell them that.
Im working in a mental institute, you know, and Ive come to know a bit about that. Also, Ive heard about a patient who got transfered to another station who had yelled at a doctor to leave him alone and stop stealing his thoughts. This leads me to believe that if some people believe others are stealing their thoughts, some may think God told them to kill their children.
This feeling of being possessed is quite typical for shizophrenia by the way, or other forms of psychotic diseases. What most people dont seem to understand is that mental diseases are serious, too.
Im not trying to avert a fair punishment from this woman, in fact, if she knew what she did, she needs to be locked away for the rest of her life, but I think she didnt know, and that she's very ill. So she needs therapy, if it would still help, and probably strong medication for the rest of her life.

 

[rahvin]

Clinically speaking there is no such thing as temporary insanity. It's more or less a term coined by the world media to explain something they don't fully understand. A person is either insane or sane. In other words, an individual doesn't move back and forth between sanity and insanity, they experience psychotic episodes. I know it's a thin line being drawn, but if this was more widely understood we might see more resources placed into rehabilitation.

so do you think it would be safer to say that, under a legal point of view, what matters is assessing whether a psychotic episode was present during the committing of a certain criminal offense? and that an "insane" person that didn't suffer from a psychotic episode at the time is a valid target for criminal responsibility? i don't have an answer for this, but it seems to me there could be consequences from ruling one way or the other.

 

[Vinland Warrior 88]

if you kill prepare to be killed yourself. Death penalty should be used more often.

 

[rahvin]

if you kill prepare to be killed yourself. Death penalty should be used more often.

and slogans much less.

 

[mourningstar]

exactly. or at least one should use them to summarise a more articulated thought on the matter.


"more thoughts in everyone's head!"

 

[ante]

no val, that´s what we dont want?

edit: if my neighbour wakes me up one more time uhm....I think I´m starting to hear voices my self

 

[mourningstar]

no val, that´s what we dont want?

what, to have more thoughts or to hear that guy's opinion?

edit: if my neighbour wakes me up one more time uhm....I think I´m starting to hear voices my self

it wasn't your neighbor, it's your conscience which finds unbearable that you can sleep at this time of day, you lazy darling

 

[ante]

what, to have more thoughts or to hear that guy's opinion?

forget that, it was a hard understandable afternoon joke
*zips gob and goes home*

it wasn't your neighbor, it's your conscience which finds unbearable that you can sleep at this time of day, you lazy darling

no she woke me up at 7 am and I tell you, if she does that again I´m gonna go up there and and and shave her hair off or something and I´m gonna blame on the voices I´m hearing

 

[mourningstar]

no she woke me up at 7 am and I tell you, if she does that again I´m gonna go up there and and and shave her hair off or something

something tells me she's not super hot, or your reaction would have been different...

 

[ante]

no it woudn´t









ok then yes it would

 

[Black Dragon]

if you kill prepare to be killed yourself.

Man O War fan.

 

[mourningstar]

the above account is fake.sorry for this,its not me.

i'm sorry for you.
there is nothing you can do?

 

[rahvin]

i'm sorry for you.
there is nothing you can do?

maybe change nickname, avatar, personal details, and signature?

 

[mourningstar]

maybe change nickname, avatar, personal details, and signature?

i guess if he changes his avatar, personal details and signature the "clone" will do the same (the only thing he can't copy is the joining date).
of course he could change his nick, but i can understand it's a pain in the arse when your friends won't recognize you anymore.

 

[rahvin]

iof course he could change his nick, but i can understand it's a pain in the arse when your friends won't recognize you anymore.

considering that at the moment his friends mistake him/her for his/her trollish alter ego, i'd give it a thought regardless.

 

[perfecterror]

That was just sick... she is sick. I think that she needs help, and the death penalty would only be what she wants. Making her live every day with what she has done is more just I think. When she does, eventually die, God will judge her on what she has done. Whatever was "telling" her to kill her children, WAS NOT God, and she will realize that in the end.

 

[rahvin]

a word of advice for those who are in doubt. when you hear a voice coming from out of nowhere and it says "hi, i'm god, go and kill your children", try to ascertain whether you're actually experiencing communication with the divinity or not. to that purpose, ask the alleged voice of god a few questions only god would know the answer to, aside from yourself, and see if the answer is appropriate.
of course, in case of a correct answer you haven't ruled out the possibility that it's your own voice hallucinating to be god, but i'm afraid this gives way to a number of philosophical issues we are not prepared to face.

 

[mourningstar]

do i sense irony here? *sniffs the air, before going to bed (i've been blessed with bank holiday today but, alas, not tomorrow)*

 

[rahvin]

do i sense irony here? *sniffs the air, before going to bed (i've been blessed with bank holiday today but, alas, not tomorrow)*

your sense of smell, trained by natural inclination and a certain past proximity with yours truly, is fine-tuned for the task at hand. in short: yes.