Industry Standard...

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I see defining the term "industry standard" pretty easily.

The industry standard isn't necessarily considered "the best in the field", but something that is considered very common item that fulfills minimum to medium requirements in the field of work in question. Usually this has a lot to do with history; For example most of the professional studios ended up using Pro Tools HD system with the Waves plugins (Waves gained huge popularity because they were the first company in the world to manufacture parametric software EQ; the product was called Q10), because they were the first combination that could out-perform the current industry standard of the time; the tape machine (usually Studer or Otari).

For example when talking about microphones, there are clearly ~10 different microphones that are considered the "industry standard", like U87, C414, SM57, D112, KM148, MD421, R121 and so on. You can find most of those from almost all the studios that is considered anything between low to medium to high profile recording studios. With DAW's it's mostly the battle between Pro Tools, Logic and Cubendo, again because of the long traditions on the field (Logic's first predecessor was done in 1980's under the name Notator and Steinberg did the first of Cubase in the late 1980's too, and Sound Tools, the predecessor of Pro Tools, came out in 1989 etc).
 
"creamy guitar tone". Yeah, creamy. That's how some people would describe their turds in front of a doctor, but certainly not a certain guitar sound.
My 2 cents.

HAHAHAHA I was about to post this when I saw yours...a dude should never have to say the word creamy. EVER. You will drink that coffee black.
 
How can you guys forget "organic?" :yell::D And from my experience in the retail world, I've come to despise the corporate description of certain products as "iconic"; seems harmless enough until you hear it used to describe EVERYTHING that could possibly be considered popular :Smug: Also, whilst on the corporate-speak rant, I absolutely despise when the term "reach out" is used to get in touch with somebody (e.g. "We reached out to his office last week" :Puke::Puke::Puke: )

The word "organic" is probably 1/5th of the reason why I barely post at the Seymour Duncan User Group forum now.

"Alnico 2 magnets sound more organic"
"Man, I just feel that EMGs don't sound organic like passives pickups do"
"Marshall DSL100s definitely have a more organic sound to them than Rectifiers"


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Any cliche is going to annoy any half-intelligent person. I can't stand WARMTH... YA' KNOW?

NO, I DO NOT KNOW. Also when people explain things that they do, and they say, "when you do this" and "you get this feeling." What is wrong with saying, "when I do this I get this feeling." fuck.
 
haha just happened to me yesterday, me and some guys were at a studio our lecturer owns to compare recording onto multitrack tape to protools, set up a shit load of mics had a great sound through some brilliant preamps, and when it came to A/B ' ing them, the only thing guys could come up with to describe the differance was, "the tape recording sounds more rounded" rounded? what? sounded a tad more compressed than the protools one, but rounded?

i just got an image of the drummer floating with his kit all warped into a giant watery sphere in the live room, rounded pisses me off
 

I don't understand the difference between "normal" and "brutal" stuff, so I always find it kind of funny to read that...mostly because I really like the word "br00tal". like in austrian death machine "br00tal sound idea" haha
I just find in not very brutal to feel the need to put that into your genre name...
 
Mago said:
I don't understand the difference between "normal" and "brutal" stuff, so I always find it kind of funny to read that...mostly because I really like the word "br00tal". like in austrian death machine "br00tal sound idea" haha
I just find in not very brutal to feel the need to put that into your genre name...

No offense, but aside from certain midway bands, there's a HUGE difference between Death metal and Brutal Death Metal, if I was on my computer I'd easily give you two YouTube links and you'd start saying Brutal more often
 
I just had a guy here a few minutes ago telling me he wanted a more "organic" sound I couldn't stop laughing cause I just had read this thread a while before. And I asked him: What do you mean by more "organic" he answered: more "raw". (facepalm)
 
for my first post in a couple months, i'll make a "warm", "tubey" comment, that "really cuts through"...

look kids, the Shure sm57 IS AN INDUSTRY STANDARD mic.. it's in every studio, and in HEAVY USE on practically every album recorded since it debuted in Shure's catalog... so what the fuck else do you want to call it?? "Ubiquitous product, the use of which is pervasive in the field of endeavor for which it was designed"??

no thanks, i'll stick with "industry standard".

but yeah, Marketing Departments being what they are, the term gets abused in ad-copy.... but that doesn't mean that there aren't many tools/products that are, in fact, standards in the industry in which they are employed.

so the question is, which use of the term bugs you? the over-use of it in grandiose ad-copy, or the matter-of-fact use of it in terms of actual industry standard tools? if it's the former... well sure, you're basically saying that advertising is misleading and over-the-top, no surprises there... if it's the latter, then perhaps you are conflating the two uses in your mind, or you just talk to too many jackasses that love to point out how awesome their studio/outboard gear/mic cabinet is. if both, well then maybe you're just too easily bothered and think about this crap too much.

other than in advertising and on-line forums, i seldom ever see/hear/use the term "Industry Standard"... and both of those are things i find quite easy to ignore.

see you in a couple more months, ;)
 
I just had a guy here a few minutes ago telling me he wanted a more "organic" sound I couldn't stop laughing cause I just had read this thread a while before. And I asked him: What do you mean by more "organic" he answered: more "raw". (facepalm)

haha just happened to me yesterday, me and some guys were at a studio our lecturer owns to compare recording onto multitrack tape to protools, set up a shit load of mics had a great sound through some brilliant preamps, and when it came to A/B ' ing them, the only thing guys could come up with to describe the differance was, "the tape recording sounds more rounded" rounded? what? sounded a tad more compressed than the protools one, but rounded?

i just got an image of the drummer floating with his kit all warped into a giant watery sphere in the live room, rounded pisses me off


I could quote more in this thread, but these'll do. How can you guys get pissed off at this? How are they meant to describe sound? "It sounded like it had a little bit of a lowpass at 17khz, then it boosted at 110hz, a little bit of compression with a fast attack/release, and then some limiting and some distortion for harmonics, some saturation and finally some clipping" vs "rounded".

I can understand being annoyed by marketers or retards on other forums, but you should be annoyed because they're marketers or retards, not because they use terms like "warm" or "creamy" or "organic". As an engineer, it's part of your job to decipher musician's and their weird terms for things because they're not engineers - that's why they're coming to you!

Warm: pleasant, round (I went there) low mids
Creamy: smooth high-mids, specifically on lead guitars (although egan had a very different definition to me, which is why this can be challenging at times).
Organic: dynamic, natural, somewhat messy. Bergstrand.
 
Warm: pleasant, round (I went there) low mids
Creamy: smooth high-mids, specifically on lead guitars (although egan had a very different definition to me, which is why this can be challenging at times).
Organic: dynamic, natural, somewhat messy. Bergstrand.

The point was he wan't referring to the same meaning as this ones (at least in my case) I don't get pissed at this, just get kinda "clueless" cause at least where I live some will refer to a certain type of sound with one word and another will come and use that same word for the total opposite. More than getting pissed of it's like getting totally confused :goggly:
 
The point was he wan't referring to the same meaning as this ones (at least in my case) I don't get pissed at this, just get kinda "clueless" cause at least where I live some will refer to a certain type of sound with one word and another will come and use that same word for the total opposite. More than getting pissed of it's like getting totally confused :goggly:

Right, I misunderstood. But in any case, I remember hearing an interview with.. I forget who, I THINK it was the guy who broke out Greenday, but I could be mistaken. Anyway, he said that one of the most important parts of being a producer was learning how to speak "musician". Make this part "vibier" or the guitar "creamier", or whatever is a totally useless term to most, but if you can understand what they mean and achieve it, that's how you succeed and get an awesome sounding album.

Musicians are weird and/or dumb, and that won't be changing any time soon.