Iran's nuclear power is intended for...

[Mutant]

you realize Poland is part of "The West" right?

Of course it is now (NATO)... if you think it was back then, go back to elementary school.

 

[Skinny Viking]

ummmm, at no point were a bunch of pasty, eastern european people ever considered anything other than part of "the west" by the people who normally refer to everything north & west of Turkey as such

 

[Mutant]

Call me stupid but didn't the U.k declare war with Germany the moment they invaded Poland ?

There is a world of difference between declaring war and actually doing something.

They don't teach or stress it enough in history lessons when things get very dishonorable.

After the war, General Alfred Jodl commented that the Germans survived 1939 "only because approximately 110 French and English divisions in the West, which during the campaign on Poland were facing 25 German divisions, remained completely inactive."

In the end, many Poles believe that although Poland held out for five weeks, three weeks longer than was planned, it received no military aid from its allies, the United Kingdom and France. Additionally Poland never surrendered to either the Germans or Russians. The agreed upon "two week ground response" never materialized, and it is contended that Poland fell to the Nazis and the Soviets as a result. It is uncertain whether the British or French had any real capacity to launch a successful offensive on the German-French border before mid-October 1939. Nevertheless, an offensive within a two-week timeframe was what they had promised the Polish government.

 

[Mutant]

ummmm, at no point were a bunch of pasty, eastern european people ever considered anything other than part of "the west" by the people who normally refer to everything north & west of Turkey as such

Huh ? Dude stop posting when you are drunk LOL

Don't you understand that the "west" from 1939 i was talking about and the "west" from 2012 are two totally different things ?

Context...

 

[Skinny Viking]

I understand perfectly

I just think you're goofy

 

[Uros]

Mutant, you speak of Iran as 'a local fundamentalist radical muslim/christian/whatever community'. And what is Israel? What is USA? World police? Rightful judges? Personally, I find US very nazi-like in their post WW2 international actions, and there are a lot of other people who has similar views. What's up with that, should other nations bomb US (if they could), because they have proven themselves to be a lot more 'eligible for bombing' comparing to Iran? There are many sides of this coin, not just two.

Every country that has nuclear weapons uses them as a means of deterrence. Iran want to be one of them. I will support all these actions against Iran only and only when two mentioned countries, along with all others who posses nuclear weapons, get rid of them. Otherwise, they are just a bunch of hypocrites.

What's next? Deny them oil so they can't make money and become strong, because they are 'lunatics', and you can't allow 'lunatics' to become powerful?

They may or may not be lunatics, but it's not ours to be a judge to that.
'Preemptive' actions are so deep in the grey area, it's ridiculous. That's why this whole 'world police' system has only succeeded to fuck up this god damn world and nothing else.

 

[Mutant]

I am sorry but comparing Iran to USA and Israel invalidates all your arguments.

It is a fact that in Iran fundamentalist radical muslims rule the country (just check their law if you have any doubts), it is a fact that in USA and Israel fundamentalist radical christians and judaists are just powerless minorities.

Have a nice day.

 

[Skinny Viking]

one of the problems that hasn't been mentioned so far is that Iran signed the NPT which has specific requirements that they have since refused to participate / cooperate with ... such as allowing the IAEA to inspect their sites / processes

the other thing being that only low level enriched uranium is required for the purposes they speak of, continuing to enrich to much much higher levels is an indication of wanting it for something more. This makes a LOT of countries concerns valid.

I'm not saying that anyone so far is right or wrong, just saying that the concerns are valid ... otherwise they would have allowed inspectors in compliance with the requirements of the NPT and surely wouldn't be so concerned with building shit under mountains or as was proven the case recently, completely in secret. If you have nothing to hide, you don't hide anything

 

[Uros]

I am sorry but comparing Iran to USA and Israel invalidates all your arguments.

It is a fact that in Iran fundamentalist radical muslims rule the country (just check their law if you have any doubts), it is a fact that in USA and Israel fundamentalist radical christians and judaists are just powerless minorities.

Have a nice day.

It is a fact that US have had many 'international interventions' on the entire globe over the decades, and with what 'right'? What's up with that?
Look at the map of the middle east region, and how much Israel has expanded their territory over the years. What's up with that?

Iran having a fundamentalist government discredits them in your and many other people's eyes, but whose to say that your eyes are objective?
Let me get this right, you think they should be bombed because you don't like their ways, you don't like their laws?

Imposing your views on other people is good, justified?

Iran haven't invaded other countries, and they are developing their weapons on their own territory. That's their own fucking business.

End of story.

US, Israel and others can clearly impose their own 'views' on Iran, because they are very powerful, sure, but they should stop justifying it with 'a bunch of lunatics' argument.

You have big guns, you're tha man. Ende. But, stop saying it's a rightful thing to do, because it isn't.

 

[midget donkeys]

Kill all the white people! Then we be free.

 

[Mutant]

It is a fact that US have had many 'international interventions' on the entire globe over the decades, and with what 'right'? What's up with that?

Some justified interventions, some unjustified, some that never happened even though they would be justified.

I never said USA are angels.

Look at the map of a middle east region, and how much Israel has expanded their territory over the years. What's up with that?

Most of it is the terrain they won in a war they didn't start.

Let me get this right, you think they should be bombed because you don't like their ways?

Nope.

No need to bomb them to stop them from producing nukes.

1000s of ways to do that, some drastic and some very surgical.

 

[Mutant]

Kill all the white people! Then we be free.

A great song by a great band


RIP Pete...

 

[Skinny Viking]

It is a fact that US have had many 'international interventions' on the entire globe over the decades, and with what 'right'? What's up with that?
Look at the map of the middle east region, and how much Israel has expanded their territory over the years. What's up with that?

Iran having a fundamentalist government discredits them in your and many other people's eyes, but whose to say that your eyes are objective?
Let me get this right, you think they should be bombed because you don't like their ways, you don't like their laws?

Imposing your views on other people is good, justified?

Iran haven't invaded other countries, and they are developing their weapons on their own territory. That's their own fucking business.

End of story.

US, Israel and others can clearly impose their own 'views' on Iran, because they are very powerful, sure, but they should stop justifying it with 'a bunch of lunatics' argument.

You have big guns, you're tha man. Ende. But, stop saying it's a rightful thing to do, because it isn't.

you seem to forget that part of the reason they expanded their territory over the years was because as soon as they were established they were attacked from how many sides?

they also gave back some of that territory and look how well it turned out for them

I'm not pro or against israel ... just saying

by the way, how is the united states getting all the blame here again?

 

[SocialNumb]

Let me get this right, you think they should be bombed because you don't like their ways, you don't like their laws?

Yes. we should also bomb Masjid al-Haram and all churches. (including our own) Along with a good old fashion book burning where we get rid of all religious texts.

 

[Skinny Viking]

Kill all the white people! Then we be free.

I was always more a fan of "Kill the white people ... but buy my record 1st"

 

[Uros]

one of the problems that hasn't been mentioned so far is that Iran signed the NPT which has specific requirements that they have since refused to participate / cooperate with ... such as allowing the IAEA to inspect their sites / processes

the other thing being that only low level enriched uranium is required for the purposes they speak of, continuing to enrich to much much higher levels is an indication of wanting it for something more. This makes a LOT of countries concerns valid.

I'm not saying that anyone so far is right or wrong, just saying that the concerns are valid ... otherwise they would have allowed inspectors in compliance with the requirements of the NPT and surely wouldn't be so concerned with building shit under mountains or as was proven the case recently, completely in secret. If you have nothing to hide, you don't hide anything

It is very clear that they are developing weapons. Only a blind man can't see that.

Yes. we should also bomb Masjid al-Haram and all churches. (including our own) Along with a good old fashion book burning where we get rid of all religious texts.

Damn right

by the way, how is the united states getting all the blame here again?

I mentioned it, because if there is a country that 'shouldn't be allowed' this or that, that is US. You 'can't' deny (you clearly can if you got force ofc) other countries to develop weapons. Iran haven't invaded US, Israel, or any other country. So, there is only 'a bunch of terrorists' argument that's left, it's pretty clear.

If all those countries are concerned with keeping peace, why don't they dispose of nuclear weapons?

 

[Skinny Viking]

It is very clear that they are developing weapons. Only a blind man can't see that.

well then thats in DIRECT VIOLATION of their responsibilities and obligations under the treaty they signed ... I mean, whats the argument here?

 

[::XeS::]

I don't care if it's energy or weapons....USA have lot of nuclear weapons, also in other countries (like Italy) and no one bother them about those weapons.

 

[midget donkeys]

I don't see why the Israelis get so upset about Iran making nuclear bombs.

It's not like the leaders of Iran have repeatedly called for the complete destruction of all of Israel before.

Iran just wants to build nuclear bombs and then hand out flowers and chocolates to nearest Jews they can find.

 

[Skinny Viking]

I don't care if it's energy or weapons....USA have lot of nuclear weapons, also in other countries (like Italy) and no one bother them about those weapons.

and those countries are working to reduce those numbers, not add to them