Is Vintersorg Pro-White/Nazi?

Originally posted by Sadistik
I don't mean physically...I mean menatally...the mental division of races creates so many barriers...when we all consider our selves to be one race, and not seperated, we will be able to stop all the ludicsrous superficial hate...I think culture is an important thing, but not as the yardstick by which to judge other cultures.
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I understand what you mean.. Give humans enough time, and with our technology and transport making distances between continents smaller, etc, people will continue to mix, and eventually, all the races will be integrated into each other, and we won't be able to tell them apart..
 
I don't think that'll ever happend..... I don't think nature will allow it. Either we'll all die, or keep being, and keep developing differently. There are no species (that I know of) that has only _one_ race. A homogeneous species is a weak and vulnerable species. We wouldn't survive long like that........
 
Fjell, it all has to do with evolutionary forces on the species and races. And THAT means fitness for survival. The current set of races was caused by the areas in which the people lived, but once a certain amount of mobility (and the marvels of modern science), the various human races will merge. But it'll take a lot of time and plenty of interbreeding. More travel and plenty of cultural changes have to occur first. I don't think it can happen in less than 5 or 6 hundred years.
 
Originally posted by Lordenlil
Belial, it is. It's damn scary if u start really thinking about this
world we live in. And that's why one has to limit these thoughts
and focus mostly on the place and situation around yourself. Of
course, knowledge of the world is not bad, as long as it's not
becoming a personal. philosophical issue. This is the way I see it,
but many seek the opposite, yes.
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Agreed. One can't change the way the world is. One can't change the way people are. No matter what anyone does people will still be irrational, dumb, panicky, separatist, overemotional primates who have a need to fight amongst themselves, persecute each other over trivial things, and indirectly bring about the slow destruction of both themselves and the world. So long as there is the irrational human mind, there will be politics.

So I agree with what you say. I think that's the best way to cope with the world we live in.
 
Originally posted by Fjelltussa
I do'nt understand what is the problem with _politicians_. A lot of them has a lot of good views on things. There are in fact political parties who work for nature and environment, animal rights and help and self help for the third world. But when everyone has different opinions on things, it is indeed difficult to do very much about eveything you want to change. What is the point in hating or despising everyone of any one group, that be politicians, jews or aryans? Instead of just complaining, and telling so much about everything you _don't_ like, do smth about it. And then I don't mean demonstrations or striking. Become a politician and work for what you stand for, build up an organisation or join one that already exists, or do smth else that is meaningful in itself, smth concrete, but talking about how horrible and meaningless and vile everything end everyone else is....... Please just shut up instead then.........
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That's true. And I am going to try that! Thanks for the idea Fjell.
 
@Allison

Not all black metal bands have the "wrong" view of Paganism, it's like saying that all German are nazi.... I really don't agree with the nazi view and I do like black metal. Take OperaIX for exemple they are not nazi, yet their music reflect well they pagan beliefs.

Of course there are some stupid ignorants like TEMNOZOR, and many more that call themselves pagan and of pure blood. Paganism has nothing to do with racism and if they would think properly they would know that a black person is the same race than a white person, they are both of human race. The only thing that is different is their skin color and their culture.

Anyhow I knew that Vintersorg was not racist for he is far more intelligent than a nazi!
:)
 
Well, there are intelligent nazis as well....... You don't have to be stupid to be a nazy, but I do believe that you have to be more or less motionally disturbed. That is a very different thing, though. The reason for each nazi to have the opinions s/he has, has nothing to do with nazism being either negative or positive. That has to stand by itself.

It's all about understanding. Try to put yourself inside the mind of a nazi. Why do you think the person thinks as it thinks? If you figure out, you might perhaps manage to make the person see things differently. Because I think, in most cases, hatred for all different is not what lies in the bottom. Just like the serial killer (if you say it is a man killing women, which it indeed is in most cases) doesn't hate all women. Most probably he hates his mother. He just doesn't understand it, or refuse to acknowledge the truth becasue he is afraid of it.

Don't think of the problem; think of the solution. That will get you somewhere. Thinking of the problem won't.
 
I actually knew a _very_ bright nazi (we worked together, and he
really was a nazi!)... but the reason he was a nazi:
Simply the environment he grew up in - his friends etc...
some older friends that had greater influence.. and there you go...
We all know the story, as it's often the same with drugs etc etc
 
Originally posted by Allison

I despise nazis, aryans, and anything to do with them.
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you despise aryans? so you despise everyone of european, persian and indian descent! strange, how the word aryan became a racist term! and yes, persians and indians also descent from aryans! they mixed with darker races there, but their language is still related with the european ones(except finnish, estonian, basque and hungarian which aren't indo-european languages)! of course, since the second world war the term "aryan" has become a "nazi" term! what would they and also the political correct suckers say if they knew that iran means "land of the aryans"!

Nattestid, to say that skincolor is the only difference between races is a little too simple! you think you couldn't tell a black african from a white if he had just white skin? the skullshape, the face, hair all is different!

@nomad: you're right that mother nature created the current races with a reason! and it hasn't changed today! still a black man has a harder time in cold condition than a white and a white in tropical heat! of course modern medicine can help, with sunblockers, vitamines thick clothes! but it's not natural!
i'm not freezing while a black maybe allready freezes his nuts off, simple because my skin has very “fine” and superficial blood vessels! The superficial blood vessels are favourable for keeping the skin and exposed body parts warm, even in cold rather conditions. it's not better than dark skin, just more favorable in cold conditions! so mother nature actually had some reason for creating man likie this! but we just don't care for mother nature nowadays in so many ways!

and vanir the tall, blond, blue eyed look is more the classic germanic one! celts are more red or darkhaired, italians blackhaired, yet they're still aryans!
 
I do not know of one politician who is not corrupt. Politicians are the ones who keep this world at war. There's always shit being stirred somewhere at any given time and as much as they refuse to admit it, politics controls mainstream religion, another source of continual unrest. Nah, fuck the lot of them I say. Just one example of the biggest problem in the world - USA. look at the moron we have in charge here. He is anything BUT honest. HE is the sort of person that is wrong with this world today.

I'd love nothing more than to be able to make a difference to change these things but I'm not corrupt enough to be given that chance. That's reality.

Vanir, you are of Zoroastrian origin then? I didn't know that.
And I did not say that I hate Scandinavian and German people at all because I do NOT hate them. Nor do I hate Jews. I have always failed to understand what the problem is that people have with Jews to begin with. They are great people.

If you can refer me to a black metal band who is not waving the inverted pentagram banner while dressed like an over made-up tart on Bourbon Street and ignorantly claiming to be Pagan/Heathen or one that is not flying the christian banner then I would be more than happy to check into them and see what they have to say with their music. But most of what I have seen and heard so far are nothing more than trend bitches or worshippers of that asshole who's rotting in a Norwegian prison. Please, show me something different. Show me real people, not goth club poser rejects or wannabes. It would be totally worth it to find even just one band who is not like the mainstream of that genre.

This is not meant to start a flame war or anything, I'm just speaking as I find along my perpetual fact-finding mission called life. Ther's no better way to learn than from others, so teach me. :)
 
OK, I'll try to keep it brief. The Aryans were a race of people who originated from the Northern polar region about 18,000 years ago. They migrated to India and Iran. Zarathustra was a great Aryan prophet who was born in Iran, his task to revive the Aryan religion. The religion he founded was Zoroastrianism. It originated among the indigeous people of India but eventually became more widespread and is a religion still very much alive today in this part of the world. In this new form of a very old faith, the Germans were seen as a master race. I'm not sure the whys or hows of this but anyway, the dominant features among German people these hundreds of centuries ago were blond hair, blue eyes. Of course, with time and migration and interbreeding not all Germans have blond hair and blue eyes anymore. But anyway, this is somehow where hitler took his twisted idea from. He thought HE could create this "master race". The ancient Aryans were not evil and twisted people at all, quite the contrary in fact, but in the past 60 years the whole idea and meaning of "Aryan" has become nothing more than a mutation and actually nothing at all to do with the ancient people. The swastika that hitler adopted is actually the ancient Aryan symbol of the sunwheel. He has the arms running backward to indicate evil and destruction. The modern interpretation of "Aryan" is something I despise. here again - classic misuse of heathen symbolism by an asshole. Before WWII the Finns had the symbol of the swastika (in the positive way) on all of their war planes as a sort of hex symbol, for good luck. Anyone who has studied about Finnish culture knows how they loved their hex symbols. But of course along comes hitler and they had to paint over their hex symbols in the Winter War so people would not think they were associated with Nazis. I wonder what next - will some asshole come along and take the hannunvarkuna and make that a nazi symbol too?! Mjollnir is already associated as a nazi symbol which I think is POSITIVELY shameful.
There are Aryans around today, yes, and not anything to do with hitler's interpretation of it. They are Aryan-Zoroastrians and live mainly in India and Iran. there are NO Aryans in Germany and certainly none in Scandinavia. Of course, people emigrate and there are small communities of Aryan-Zoroastrians in many countries, but they are for the most part immigrants from India and Iran.
 
Allison: You're full of shit.

"Aryan" simply means "noble" in Sanskrit - the shit about "Aryans" being an "ancient race from the polar regions" is a 19th century racist, colonialist invention, that there is absolutely NO archaeological or historical evidence for. It's from this idea of an "aryan race" that Nazism evolved. You are spreading the same shit that you claim to hate.

"Aryan" is also used in linguistics to mean Indo-Iranian languages spoken in Iran, Pakistan, Afganistan and northern India - still _nothing_ to do with "race".
 
Well, considering that Vintersorg's theme deals with something FAR beyond any quite stupid political things, the discussion whether Vintersorg is pro-nazi or not should not even arise.
 
Originally posted by Allison
I do not know of one politician who is not corrupt. Politicians are the ones who keep this world at war. There's always shit being stirred somewhere at any given time and as much as they refuse to admit it, politics controls mainstream religion, another source of continual unrest. Nah, fuck the lot of them I say. Just one example of the biggest problem in the world - USA. look at the moron we have in charge here. He is anything BUT honest. HE is the sort of person that is wrong with this world today.

I'd love nothing more than to be able to make a difference to change these things but I'm not corrupt enough to be given that chance. That's reality.

Vanir, you are of Zoroastrian origin then? I didn't know that.
And I did not say that I hate Scandinavian and German people at all because I do NOT hate them. Nor do I hate Jews. I have always failed to understand what the problem is that people have with Jews to begin with. They are great people.

If you can refer me to a black metal band who is not waving the inverted pentagram banner while dressed like an over made-up tart on Bourbon Street and ignorantly claiming to be Pagan/Heathen or one that is not flying the christian banner then I would be more than happy to check into them and see what they have to say with their music. But most of what I have seen and heard so far are nothing more than trend bitches or worshippers of that asshole who's rotting in a Norwegian prison. Please, show me something different. Show me real people, not goth club poser rejects or wannabes. It would be totally worth it to find even just one band who is not like the mainstream of that genre.

This is not meant to start a flame war or anything, I'm just speaking as I find along my perpetual fact-finding mission called life. Ther's no better way to learn than from others, so teach me. :)
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That about politicians: Do you know mostly politicians in USA then? Because to claim that every politician is corrupt is to take it too far. You don't have humans on one side and politicians on the other. Politicians are just normal humans, too! -As are teachers for that matter. Here there are very little corruptness indeed. It is not possible to be very corrupt here, because everything is too small. Too open. And I don't think many here really find the need, or see the point in being corrupt. Still there are serois politicians and less serious ones.

And though politicians to a very high degree are responsible for wars, you cannot blame them. They are chosen by us to rule the countries. -At least in the rich parts of the world, which we both, and most of the ppl here, are a part of. They are rather the triggers of war, than the reasons for war.

There are an incredible lot of blackmetal bands around, and you can hardly know of all, so to say that all of them twists the heathen symbols and meaning, is hardly anything you can know for sure.

You seem to dislike ppl who judge quite a bit, but still you judge yourself............
 
Originally posted by Vintersorg
I'm just very tired of the whole political issues, I'm in oposition towards all politics in the society, be it left or right-winged. I have to much respect for Cosmos to follow the stupidity of the modern man, I mean of course you have to cope with certain things to avoid conflicts all the time, which would consume the vital energy. But what took Cosmos 4-5 billion years(Planet earth)to build, we've nearly destroyed in the last 100 years, so we shouldn't have the right to decide the future of the planet, we all know how that goes, right?

Politicians are just as mad Prophets: They promise paradise, but gives you hell.

mr V
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Well said!
 
Originally posted by Rune Fairy


Hey Morg...I do believe you're tung's a bit brown from all that ass licking! ;) Get a thought of your own why don't you? Rather than always taking the good word of Mr. V!
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I have said this here long time before Mr. V. posted his thoughts on this board. I'm fed up to repeat myself over and over again on this board!!!
We had this all a couple of times on this board, a couple of threads full with the same discussion.
And this is in no way ass licking...
 
Originally posted by Fjelltussa
Become a politician and work for what you stand for, build up an organisation or join one that already exists, or do smth else that is meaningful in itself, smth concrete, but talking about how horrible and meaningless and vile everything end everyone else is.......
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That's right, I see it excactly the same way!
 
C'mon. We're at the Vintersorg forum. Most of the ppl here are
fans, and respect Vintersorg. If he said something crazy, I'm sure
people would react to it.
I speak for myself: I've brought forth images of him, avatar, and
messed around with the new album... all as jokes. You know, he
could easily react to all the crap I've said and done in here. And I
know that. But personally I am pro music, and no matter if mr. V
told me to shut up (don't think he ever would, though) I'd _still_
like his music. So I have no problem saying I agree or disagree
with him. This is stupid, even my lousy jokes are better than all
this "Ow - you're licking Mr. V's ass" -stuff I've seen lately. Hey, I
must be a major ass-licker because I made those images of him.

In the end, I respect him as an artist ('cause I don't know him as
a person. AND as an artist he does the clever thing of making
only short replies that makes sense, so usually it's quite easy to
agree. In most cases he doesn't reply, which is also a wise
decision. So THERE!)

But (by coincidence) I'm not totally agreeing with your latest post,
V-man (excerpt) ".... so we shouldn't have the right to decide the
future of the planet, we all know how that goes, right?"
I don't completely agree. Because we are ALSO a product
of 'cosmos' (the system of the universe) if u will. We are a result.
We were _made_ og 'given' this right in one way or the other.
I hate what we've done to this planes as much as anybody, and I
focus mostly on my own life. But seeing things in a really big
perspective, we have done NOTHING to cosmos, we are NOTHING
in that perspective. In the end we are a natural cause, but still
we're a precious form of life it seems. But who's to blame for
humans being selfish and destructive? (No divine stuff discussed
here.. nonono.)

Assuming we had no political systems, if human spread like flies
and so on. Well, that wouldn't be much of a society either. It
would be chaos, and why would everything be better that way?
We could've kept the earth perfect until the sun dies etc... for what
achievement? But of course, there are ways in between, but
obviously this is NOT how the Earth evolved..

It almost seems like this is the prize we pay for having been
brought to life. I think that one day all humans will be DEAD and
this morbid experiment will be over... for the Earthlings, that is.

(Damn - I'm going on and on.. let's stop it here)
 
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