Agreed.
(I know, I know, but quite frankly, I don't care about peoples misinformed definitions of various genres and subgenres.
We're going to ave to agree to completely disagree on this one. I grew up during this time period, and this is the first time I'm hearing that sentiment expressed. The first time I heard Crimson Glory was when the local radio station played "Lonely in Love". My first thought was... wow, someone is really ripping off Queensryche. And that was pretty much the consensus amongst all the folks I knew who were into Metal.
So if we're talking current day, by what standard does DT dominate? Record sales?
General Zod said:
Mouth...foot...
What I actually said in that thread was....The incident was when I used Wiki & Allmusic in a discussion on what genre Opeth was in. Of which, both sites listed them as Death Metal. You stated Wiki was a poor resource. But, I see now that you're a "whichever way the wind blows" type. Ok got it.
So... what I said was, "I love Wiki...", not that it was a "poor resource". I was careful to, and correct in, pointing out that Wiki, like any other resource, is unable to offer a definitive genre classification for a band. However, I trust Wiki to provide accurate numbers that can easily be verified. I suspect you're smart enough to see the difference.
In all fairness, that's the correct use of numbers.
While I don't think anything Dream Theater has done would have had the commercial appeal of those late 80s QR discs, that's a fair point.
LOL.I would say talent puts them above QR...that & of course my opinion...of which both make you wrong.
Saying Dream Theater has been the better band since the release of Promised Land, says little about Dream Theater.
Are they covering that cd live in 2009?
In all fairness, that's the correct use of numbers.
Especially when QR's existance in the genre at this time is questionable at best.
Jordan's body of work is far greater than Jame's in my opinion...
So we're back to this idea that they've "dominated". Other than your stamp of approval, I'm not sure by what measure you reach that determination. You've pointed out that sales data is a useless guage of such things. So we're left with the quality of their work as the determining factor. And let's face it, they haven't dominated anything by that standard. In fact, they've been trading on their reputation for nearly a decade. Octavarium? Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence? I did a quick query of the board's 2007 lists. You know how many people had Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence #1? One person.... you. That's dominant?
Actually... it does. Last night, when I got out of bed to turn up the heat, my wife said, "You don't need to turn the heat up. Just lie down and ponder how Queensryche dominated Prog Metal from 88-90." And just like that, I felt a warming sensation in the cockles of my heart and slept like a big bald baby....QR did from 1988 -1990 or so. Hope that makes you feel warm & cuddly.
You're preaching to the choir. I've barely had a kind word to say about QR in more than a decade. This has never been (for me) a comparison between the two band's current work. Neither holds any real interest for me.
Again, I have no idea what QR's recent output has to do with this conversation. You said Dream Theater "dominates" the genre. If releasing a disc better than Tribe constitutes dominating the genre, than there's about 30,000 bands currently dominating the genre.So...Tribe and O:MII are better? A resounding...NO!...will suffice.
It's as good a barometer as any. Why wouldn't a band that "dominates" the genre find some love on this board? Savatage (in its various incarnations), Symphony X, Vanden Plas, Circus Maximus, Pain of Salvation, etc. have no shortage of fans here. Why would the dominant band in the genre be greeted by a forum full of "haters"?
There have been a quite a few posts/comments that have elicited a laugh from yours truly while reading this board over the past few years, but this one has to be my favorite of them all thus far!
Only with respect to each band's historical place in the genre. As for the current day, I have no interest in either band's output. Neither band is within a decade's reach of their best days.Hey...you're the one professing that QR is ahead of DT in the progressive metal genre...not me.
Drawing is sales. And sales, a very wise man once told me, is "not an accurate measurement device".
Even if there is some ass kissing going on, it doesn't explain all the Dream Theater haters. And quite honestly, I think the forum's opinion on Dream Theater's current music is slanted, if anything, in their favor. When you look at whose posting favorable things about Dream Theater's current releases, it's most often the older posters, who were raised on IaW and approach a new DT release with a glass half full perspective.
What an absurd statement. Everyone knows Granny Smith apples are better than pomegranates. Where do you get off even comparing a tip-bearing apple cultivar to a a fruit-bearing deciduous shrub?
